Jerry, Well done you are right, I pushed harder and they do pop out. This is going to be a loooong and painful exercise for the "brain trust" to bring me up to speed on this bus. We are leaving 11/1 for warmer country so I'll get to take stuff apart, panels off, and do some investigating.
Thanks everyone for all the help so far. Whats the quota in stupid questions, Like one a week, month.............?