Liberty Coach Co.

[Petervs]

Is this some kind of mutual admiration society? Why not spit out some of the real truth here? The poor guy ( well, he will be poor AFTER he writes the check) asked an honest question, he deserves a real answer!

I am not a Liberty owner, but I know someone who is, and I have heard more than a minute amount of grumbling about the Liberty proprietary attitude about handing out wiring diagrams so you can troubleshoot ( they won't give them out) and the funny generator control that does not work and can not be fixed except by a $1400 replacement part that is designed to do the same thing, and oh, lets not forget about that weird single holding tank so if you back up your shower you get what was once in your toilet there too, and gee, there might be other issues, but the Liberty owners should really comment themselves, assuming they remove their heads from the clouds for a few minutes.

My $0.02

Peter vS
94 Marathon XLV

[JIM CHALOUPKA]

Is this some kind of mutual admiration society? Why not spit out some of the real truth here? The poor guy ( well, he will be poor AFTER he writes the check) asked an honest question, he deserves a real answer!

I am not a Liberty owner, but I know someone who is, and I have heard more than a minute amount of grumbling about the Liberty proprietary attitude about handing out wiring diagrams so you can troubleshoot ( they won't give them out) and the funny generator control that does not work and can not be fixed except by a $1400 replacement part that is designed to do the same thing, and oh, lets not forget about that weird single holding tank so if you back up your shower you get what was once in your toilet there too, and gee, there might be other issues, but the Liberty owners should really comment themselves, assuming they remove their heads from the clouds for a few minutes.

My $0.02

Peter vS
94 Marathon XLV

Way to go Peter! Let it all hang out before I jump into the pot. What else is being held back? Anybody! JIM

I wonder if this is like the age old thing CHEVY vs FORD and no matter what, once you start with one you don't change?

[Imre]

Very interesting group indeed. People are recommending the $1.9M new coaches to clueless buyers while themselves driving 10 year old buses and being proud of single handedly changing $200 air bags with double bottle jacks! What is the definition of a hypocrite

[Jerry Winchester]

Well this is certainly a new attitude.

While I own a coach that is 15 years old, I guess that limits me to offering advice or information that only relates to vintage coaches. I'll make sure to keep from offering my hypocritical opinion to buyers of new coaches in the future.

However, seeing as how I have know M. Stuller for some 10 years, I'll let him decide what he does with the info. This isn't his first coach.

[Imre]

Yeah exactly, it would be nice to have a new attitude and drop the sales talk like "But more importantly, long after you have forgotten how much you paid you will still be secure in the knowledge you have one of the best, if not the best coach, and the level of support that other converters provide will rarely equal the continuing support Liberty will provide.". This is nonsense and is just misleading for the uninitiated. Has the source owned a new coach of all the leading converters? Has he dealt with all of them? Last I checked this was a forum of users not company reps. Funny that it was exactly the same source that complained about the objectivity of the other posts!

Just to avoid confusions, the newness of a coach is important ONLY because it sets the baseline for the company to today and not to 5 or 10 years ago. Coach conversions are very sensitive to the used technologies and 5 or 10 years cannot be ignored in an objective evaluation.

[Jon Wehrenberg]

Leave it to Peter to dig at open sores. I cannot say I disagree with what he says, but on the other hand, the closest think in terms of complexity that I can compare to my coach is my plane, or my house, or one of my cars. They also have some features that I am less than happy with, but unlike my Liberty getting service on any of them is painful and expensive.

I have never purchased a product that was as well supported by the manufacturer as my Liberty coach. And the most ironic part of that is I never purchased a coach from Liberty, but despite that they go out of their way to help me when I need help.

As to handing out proprietary information...Peter and the others need to understand a little background in this business. Vantare was built by a guy that bought a Liberty coach and he reverse engineered it to start a company that competed with Liberty. If they got a little sensitive about having their efforts plagiarized I can understand why. But it doesn't stop there. If you look at the Vogue conversions (which eventually became Featherlite like Vantare) the plagiarism even went so far as to copy the Liberty aluminum logo plate between the headlights. If I had competitors not above stealing ideas I also would limit access to information.

[Jon Wehrenberg]

Imre,

Mr. Stuller asked about Liberty coach. I'm fairly certain none of us poor folks that change our own airbags using bottle jacks are planning to spend his money for him. All we are trying to do is answer his question.

What has got your shorts in a knot that makes you want to attck others for rendering an opinion?

We do a lot of ball breaking on this site, but it is all good natured. We know one another, and we are friends. You are coming across as the Grinch.

[MangoMike]

M. Stuller said it right at the beginning the perfect conversion company is not around yet. But Liberty, in my humble 10 year old bus opinion, comes pretty close - albiet at a hefty price tag. Yes they have some propietary items like their Generator Watch Dog. But to their credit they don't try to jam a new one down your throat if it's acting up, like mine did this summer. Their suggestion was to send it in and they would have it professionally checked by an outside source. Which they did, finding no problem and not charging me a dime for the consult. (Turns out the generator battery was on the old side and not giving it's fullest to the electronic controls). And Peter is right, they won't give up their wiring diagrams, but it's never stopped them from helping me find a solution to an electrical problem over the the phone.

I've just started having contact with Marathon over my 2000 H3 (hey I'm down to just 7 years old) and have found them to be just as helpful. Is there somethings I like better about the Liberty - sure, but there's also things I like better about the Marathon. You can't have it all - ask my wife about her husband.

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As the guy who has changed his $200 air bags w/ bottle jacks, I'm not sure if I should be offended or not. I thought it was a badge of courage to change it myself. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that everyone on this board can well afford to have someone else change their airbags/oil/filters etc. I run four restaurants with staffing over 200 and my relaxation comes with being alone in the bus barn tinkering with the bus. Much cheaper than a analyst or mistress, plus the side benefit is learning something new and being able to handle future (and you know they will be there) problems with the bus. I'm sure M. Stuller is astute enough to know that no-one, regardless the year of their bus, knows it all. He's just trying to get the flavor.

Back to my bottle jacks.

mm

[Gary & Peggy Stevens]

You can't have it all - ask my wife about her husband. mm

Mike, I have asked your wife, AND YOUR RIGHT

Gary S

[Gary & Peggy Stevens]

MAN IT SURE GOT COLD ON THIS POG SITE TODAY !!!!!!

Time for everyone to go get their favorite Beverages, and have a HAPPY VALENTINES DAY
Gary S