I"ve seen something on e-bay...advice please..

[Will Garner]

Jim,

I think the FBI is tied up right now trying to find a candidate that can pass the "vetting" process to become Commerce Secretary. I won't be surprised when that person turns out to be our man, Steve Katz. How about getting a POG caravan ready to drive on Washington just in case that fairy tale turns out to be true!

[JIM CHALOUPKA]

Well then, Viv, you go to your state senator and tell all the media people what happened and get them on your side. Make a big issue out of it.
Do you have one of those citizens hot lines in your area?
You have all the data. Spread it around and make a big public issue of it.
Don't give up.
Go for the lien on the house, make Katz life as miserable as you can!!!!!!!

JIM

[flyu2there]

Guys,

The FBI is not interested in civil matters such as this.....sorry but that is the truth. Senators and Congressmen are not interested either, unless Viv is and has been a big contributor to campaigns....... Absolutely she can call them but she is not going to like what she hears!

Truth is, this is a Civil Matter. None of us know what transpired between Viv and Dr. Katz, do not know if there was a written agreement, do not know what was said or what was agreed to. I think most of us do not know Dr. Katz from Adam, don't know if he is a crook or an honest guy. The only way, and the way that is fair to both parties, is to resolve this in a Court of Law!

Viv, the only way this can be resolved in a cost effective and timely manner is to take Dr. Katz to Court and, as recommended, Small Claims is your best vehicle. Should you prevail you will garner a summary judgement against Dr. Katz and that too has been previously discussed; I would suspect that you would receive an immediate refund, once again, should you prevail. A word of caution here, have all documents available...he said, she said will not make the team! You will need written documentation to support your claim, both from you and Dr. Katz. Emotional pleas do not make the team, have all of the details available and be well prepared.

All the best,

John

[Darl-Wilson]

Here is Steve and wife's real name.
KATZ, STEPHEN B & FRANCINE

The address is TIMBERLAKES not Kimberlake!

This is the picture of SawDustMan's find on Steve Katz's wifes business. I couldn't find them on title to this building or any of their associates so I'll assume they are renting. This is a condo building.
16454 Timberlakes Dr, Fort Myers, FL 33908




Home is listed as being in The Forest and has been discounted 100 k to $399,000.


16530 TIMBERLAKES DR FORT MYERS FL 33908 Note that the link shows "Naples Coach" This is noted on his website by his picture that "Steve comes to us from Naples Coach" Hmmm. Now that we have them on title to the Timberlakes property we can be pretty much assured that he and Fran are FL residents. I want to know why the FL DMV is unwilling to go after him for selling vehicles without a license and comiting fraud. At 1st they told Viv that he wasn't licensed so they couldn't pursue him. What the hell do state agencies do with unlicensed businesses? It looks like in the State of Florida they don't do anything because they are unlicensed. Sounds like a place ripe for me to move my mortgage company!

Tax Collector for Lee County, FL Note, no taxes due. Must have been paid with Viv's deposit. Taxes were $3,772.39 for 2008



All the information below is FYI in case someone living this area might be familiar with any of these players. People living at this address; Stephen B. Katz, Francine M. Katz, and Marc Halpern.
Florida companies listed at this address: Halpern Associates. Inc. an inactive Foreign-for-profit created on 7-28-95. Marc Halpern is President. He is 67 years old and has lived in Nyack, NY and Pompano, FL Mary Williams is listed as an officer of this company. Mary William is also shown as having a company at this address but it is likely that she is listed solely because she is an officer of Halpern.

Roberto's Gourmet Coffee and Yogurt, Inc is the other company listed at this address. Direstors are Stephern B. and Francine M. Katz. Dennis J. Lumsden is the registered Agent for this inactive domestic-for-profit corp that was incorporated on 8-31-1998. Not listed at this address is another ol' Steve company and maybe his son.

John is right, the FBI, the CIA, and a bunch of those other agencies are busy with protecting to country and lots of irritating politicians BUT there are agencies out there that will take up your cause Viv. Some are brand new and some are little known. If you are persistent you might prevail. Spending money to hire an attorney is only going to reward the attorney. We have spent a lot of time gathering up some evidence that this guy if less than honest. What you do with it is up to you. You have most of the sites and agencies that are likely to help you.

I think most of us have grown weary of this project but if you want to pursue this guy some of us will probably help you as best we can. It's up to you to head in the right direction and to stay focused.

Good luck,

Darl

[Joe Cannarozzi]

You mean either it will kill you or make you stronger

[Journeyone144]

Hello Everyone,

There's just no way I can begin to tell you all how I feel...

I've been cheated too many times since I've been making my own decisions...I thought I'd wized up until I saw that Prevost and knew I could buy it...so desperate to get it I let PNC Bank send the money to Steve before I saw it..sooo sure I'd be driving it home and I would have if not for that height...and Steve should have given me back the money...I signed nothing but the authorization for PNC to send it to him...He made the statement he wrote sound like I'd bought it and I had to sign it or the bank would not have sent him the 5K..when I actually hadn't..and he knew it..but because I didn't have an agreement in writing that the money was refundable even a Judge might hold me to what he wrote and I signed..It is debateable..BUT..

Because of all the trouble Darl and all of you are going thru' for someone none of you have ever even met in person..I will send the information you've given me here to everyone I can find who might listen and be able to help get it back..as well as bring Steve Katz to justice..You deserve it more than me..

Darl especially you have had to have done a lot of searching to find out all the information you have about Steve..I can't just let that go without doing everything in my own power to right this wrong..and try to make it all worthwhile..

I've always been a fighter for right..but I've run into some other things I tried very, very hard to right and got no place...

My Credit is ruined over 7,000K that Chase Bank claims I borrowed from them via a Credit Card they issued in my name that I never applied for or ever even saw..For over a year they called my phone number between 15 & 20 times a day..I was near distraction when the calls finally stopped after I sent them not one but two affadavits swearing I'd never borrowed any money from them...It was out and out Idenity Theft..and it's believed that my vital information was taken from the highly publicised Laptop AT&T had Stolen from one of their employees..and I am a reciepient of my husband's AT&T Pension & whose info was on that Laptop..I fought that and it's still not taken off my Credit Rating..

Now this happens..I wish I could just look for my bus...but most of the heart has gone out of me..especially since I have water system problems with my Dolphin that have kept me home all this winter..They can't get the parts to fix it..I feel sooo defeated..but I am so overwhelmed at the pouring out of the goodness of all you people I just can't let all you've done be for nothing...not without doing everything I can to stop Steve Katz from very likely hurting even more people...

I could tell you of even more incidents during the past 11 yrs. but it would do no one any good...they were my own fault..

To say Thank you to you all again is a useless phrase now...it just doesn't do it..!!
But please know I wish someone would invent a new word for it...
You just can't imagine how much I hope I'll get to meet you all one day..and how sorry I am for the whole mess..

Love Viv...

Here is Steve and wife's real name.
KATZ, STEPHEN B & FRANCINE

The address is TIMBERLAKES not Kimberlake!

I think most of us have grown weary of this project but if you want to pursue this guy some of us will probably help you as best we can. It's up to you to head in the right direction and to stay focused.

Good luck,

Darl

[Journeyone144]

Dear Jim & All,

This brings you up to date on what's happening in my life...

Fl. State Att. Gen. has set up a "Seniors vs Crime" Dept..and I have given them all the info I have as well as called my own State Senator's office and they told me to continue with the Florida help first...

Also what you don't know is that I had Cashed in the balance of my husband's IRA left to me when he died...The bank told me I would have to pay about 4,000. Income Tax on that 72,000...so I was prepared for that..but when I went to my Tax Preparer and she told me it wasn't 4,000 but instead 18,000...I near fainted...

I about gave up all hope of getting a Prevost...but maybe I just got a reprieve..!!! .My local PNC Bank in Brick, NJ...approved a 50,000 equity loan on my house...at under 4%...150.00 mo. payment...I haven't taken that yet...but I might have a 94 Prevost bus in Fl..for 115,000...I just wrote the owner tonight and told him I could take it now..and am waiting for his reply...

Afraid to get too excited...but had to tell you guys...had to tell someone...!!!
I'm really apprehensive about it after sooo many disappointments...but I just can't give up...

Here is the bus...I haven't talked to the place where he has it listed because I talked to him when he first put it up on Prevost Stuff...even before he listed it with www.floridaluxurycoach.com
so he might save the dealer fee because of that...I hope that happens for him.. He and his wife just had a brand new baby..below is a copy of his message to me...about price..
His name is Donnie Vucinovic
----- Original Message -----
From: dvucinovic@aim.com
To: journeyone@comcast.net
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: 1994 Prevost Liberty / Prevost-stuff

VIVIAN,

SORRY FOR THE DELAY, MY WIFE AND I HAD A BABY GIRL TODAY.. I'M GONNA BE SHORT AND SWEET ONLY BECAUSE I AM BEAT.. I COULD POSSIBLY DO 115K IF THAT WOULD WORK, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE A STRETCH..

LET ME KNOW AND I WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

DONNIE V
************************************************** **
-----Original Message-----
From: Vivian A. McGraw
To: dvucinovic@aim.com
Sent: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 9:42 pm
Subject: 1994 Prevost Liberty / Prevost-stuff
*************************************************
You can see I've known about this bus for almost two months...but never thought I could get it...I'm so glad now that I save the info on all the busses I see and wish I could afford..Smile...I'm really scared of a new monkey wrench getting caught in the works...This one even has colors I'd choose.. that makes me more scared...Go see it here..
and please someone reassure me that it's just an XL not an XL11 ...I know it's not an H3...Thank Goodness...

http://www.floridaluxurycoach.com/po...p?comments=147

HAPPY EASTER TO YOU ALL...

Warm Hugs Always Viv...

Well then, Viv, you go to your state senator and tell all the media people what happened and get them on your side. Make a big issue out of it.
Do you have one of those citizens hot lines in your area?
You have all the data. Spread it around and make a big public issue of it.
Don't give up.
Go for the lien on the house, make Katz life as miserable as you can!!!!!!!

JIM

[Will Garner]

Vivian,

Yup, it's a 40 foot XL. This is the lowest "overhead" you will find.

[dalej]

Good grief, are bus's really this cheep?

[Jon Wehrenberg]

I don't know if they are cheap or not.

For example any of us that has purchased a bus prior to the collapse in pricing that started a year or two ago has seen the resale value of our coaches drop significantly. But so has the value of every other bus (except those owned by people who missed the memo about low prices).

That situation has created a possible problem. When your bus has a relatively high value (compared to what you paid for it) it is easy justifying an expenditure to maintain it, refurbish it, repaint it, etc. But when its value drops significantly does that mean the owner will just drive the hell out of it and not spend money to keep things current?

The bus value has dropped, but that does not mean the cost to maintain or repair or refurbish it has not. In fact relative to the value of the bus, those things have jumped significantly. If a person had a coach worth $300,000 it might be easy to rationalize spending $15,000 to do some serious repairs on an engine that is showing signs of serious problems. But as we have seen some values have fallen so significantly, that the $300,000 coach is now worth $150,000, at which point the owner may just decide to sell the coach rather than spending 10% of its total value just to fix something that may go undetected in a sale.

I'll wager there is a lot of deferred maintenance going on right now because not only have bus values dropped, but the owners are also poorer due to the economy.

If I were to buy a cheap bus right now I would be all over it so I knew exactly what its condition was before a penny changed hands. As to the value of my coach, who cares? When we bought it it was not with the intent to trade up. It was to be a coach we would own a long time, and therefore would maintain with that thought in mind. My coach and many others have dropped in value, but I still intend to maintain it and as it becomes time to change the flooring or reupholster the furniture we will do that even though proportional to the coach value those upgrades will make less sense.

If I were to buy a coach right now I would find the best coach for the total money, meaning I would pay more for a coach that needs nothing, or a lot less for one that needs some work so my total cost is in line with the market. I have seen some coaches you would not be able to give me. I have also seen some coaches that were bought for so little it makes me wonder why anyone would even consider a new coach.