Price Negotiations & Prevost Value

[Jon Wehrenberg]

Z, pay heed to Jerry's words of wisdom. Also try to understand where your head is in this process. If you are buying a coach you intend to keep a long time you have to focus on floor plan and systems because those are the things hardest to change so they have to be exactly what you prefer. If on the other hand you trade often your greatest area of concern is more likely going to be price because when you trade or sell it you want to take the least loss.

No matter what your focus however you need to get the coach that exhibits long term care. These are durable long lasting robust coaches, but like anything else they require maintenance. There has never been a coach put on the market in which the seller has listed as a feature "shitty maintenance". Every coach on the market is always listed as having excellent maintenance or buzz words like "Prevost Maintained". Unless you have the documentation for maintenance in the form of work orders, log books, invoices or the like that you can compare to the recommended maintenance schedule you have to assume you are going to be doing a lot of repairing or replacing and you need to factor that into your financial decisions.

As Jerry said the big ticket items such as tires and batteries are date coded so it is easy to factor the need or cost of them into your financial analysis, but there are many other costs hidden to those who have not done their homework on what constitutes routine maintenance or what the lack of maintenance can have on a coach.

You cannot buy a coach as you describe without doing a detailed inspection. You have to operate every switch, knob and control to make sure stuff works as intended. You need to listen to how often the auxiliary air compressor runs. You need to observe the coach over a couple of days to see if it has "the leans". If you are a gearhead and very comfortable working on things such as a Prevost some of the stuff I mentioned is relatively unimportant in terms of cost and the use of your time, but if you prefer to have others maintain the coach for you those things that are not quite right and in need of fixing can add significantly to your purchase price.

I am sure others on this forum will chime in with their viewpoints. The thing to remember is we are all different and what is very important to you or me in the purchase of a coach may be less important to others. Only you can make the final decision.

Welcome to the asylum. Ask a lot of questions. The odds are the more you ask, the more likely one of our answers will actually be correct.

[Reagan Sirmons]

Great words of wisdom as to condition and needs.
I would comment on the market place and believe it is still highly negotiable. If there is a $400M asking, there is nothing wrong with a $300M bid. Prevost motor coaches do not have blue book so it is very difficult to determine value. The beauty is truly in the eyes of the beholder. I would assume someone with a $400M offering is realistically looking for about $360M for their coach. I know that Tuga has some comments on this as well if memory serves me correctly.
Pres

[Jon Wehrenberg]

Pres......check your PM's.

[merle&louise]

Z,

Welcome, glad to have you aboard. I think that the best method for determining fair market value is to chart recent sales. Where do you find recent sales: ask sellers and brokers. You would be surprised at how much info you can get just by asking.
Brokers (who want to stay in business) will tell you truthfully what a coach is worth. Remember they want to SELL; compare their quotes with their competition - this just keeps them honest. We have some great, knowledgeable brokers as sponsors on this POG site. Give them a call - they can help a lot.

Like Reagan said, don't be afraid to make a low offer - you may be pleasantly surprised. A seller who believes in his coach knows what it is worth and he shouldn't be offended when you make a low offer. He can politely decline the offer or make a counter-offer. If you love the coach and it has everything you like including colors it may be worth a little more than fair market value.

A few posts back, someone mentioned tire life and battery life. Rear tires should be replaced every 5 years and front tires should be replaced every 3 years, regardless of tread wear. Start batteries should be replaced every 3 years and house batteries every 5 years. These are averages, just a yardstick for you to have something to guage by.

One more thing: try not to let the seller see you grinning from ear to ear when you step inside the bus. It's a dead give-away!

Good Luck and happy bus hunting. Look forward to meeting you one day.

[Zmax73]

Tuga,

Glad to be associated with a great group of people who share such valuable info. Do u have a cost breakout for these items? Michelin website claims 10 year replacement for tires. What`s up with that?

Yeap, no grinning. Poker Face all the way!! These guys are not your friends!!

[Zmax73]

Excuse my ignorance Jon, what`s a PM ? Love your maintenance schedule check list. I plan on using a lot of it for the PPI along with a reputable shop nearby.

Thanks!

[Reagan Sirmons]

I have to also admit I don't know what a PM is either. I usually get confused with big words but I got shut down with two letters. I always take Jon at his word...now it is taking him at his letters.
Pres

[garyde]

PM is Private message. If you look at the top right of this page, you will see' Notification.' Someone is sending you a message.

[Sid Tuls]

Thanks Gary! I thought it was 2 Advail P M's for old poger's !!

[Sawbonz]

Excuse my ignorance Jon, what`s a PM ? Love your maintenance schedule check list. I plan on using a lot of it for the PPI along with a reputable shop nearby.

Thanks!

Private Message = PM