Silverleaf Electronics

[HarborBus]

Jeff I had the 440 installed Nov '09, we had one in our plastic coach and I wouldn't be without one. Way more information than the Pro Driver and more user friendly. The least expensive way to go is to buy the software and use a mini laptop. For the newer coaches they can overlay the information on a present video feed ie: backup camera etc. My bus didn't have the right electronics to do this but I would have loved to do it as it is way cheaper than the way I went.

[jack14r]

I have a VMS-120 with the pressure pro option that was free at the time I ordered it,it is awesome.I can see the actual turbo boost(46PSI)and actual temps including intake after the innercooler,and lots of info that I really don't need.

[Orren Zook]

Jack, I especially like the fuel temp option.... so I've got mine programmed to skip the display of readings I'm not interested in

[jack14r]

I have done the same.

[Jeff Bayley]

Elliot- You say you "had the 440 installed". Are these just plug and play or is there some installation ? I was going to order one to have it shipped to Pittsburg where we are going next for a work call. Don't I just plug it in to the same port where Detroit plugs in by the drivers seat or does it plug in to the connector and take the place of the pro-driver ? My pro-driver is bad. It is disconnected. It was making the engine mis-fire and by unplugging it the problem went away. If I can plug it into the connector for the Pro-Driver, then I don't need to route a cable to the dash. I know Silverleaf cna probabley answer these questions but I want any end user input also to get it right the first time.

VMS-120 vs 440 ? Are those what i should pick from if I'm going to use a min lap top ? I'm going back to browse the products again now, now that you guys replied. I don't know if I could find an LCD to fit where the Pro-Driver is now or not. I've got about an inch to play with on all 4 sides to put something a bit bigger but with the lap top I have more customization yes ?

Ok, I just checked them out. I see now. The 120 is the cheap display if your going to use a mini lap top. They all come with some form of display then I suppose that you just leave in the box and subsitutie for the lap top I presume.

[HarborBus]

Jeff, I think you are a little confused, so let me try to clarify. The VMS 120LC, VMS 240CL, the VMS440CL, and the VMS 640 are all stand alone devices. The VMSpc is the software for the computer it is found at:
http://www.silverleafelectronics.com/?q=node/6.

The stand alone devices all plug into the diagnostic plug. I don't know if you have this plug but obviously you have something like it that the Pro Driver plugs into. I think the VMSpc has an adapter that plugs into the computer but I 'm not sure how they set it up since I've never had experience with that system. Call Martin Perlot, he is the owner and he can tell you what you need based on the year of your bus and the system you decide on. When I said "I had the 440 installed" they had to do some modifications to the dash by removing my existing back-up monitor and using that space to install the VMS 440CL, as it has the back-up monitor display in it . Hope this helps.

[nrhareiner]

Good afternoon Jeff,

I have had an used the Silverleaf product in the bus since 2007. I have the 400 series. The recent model is the 440. It gives me a world of information while on the road. You can choose the parameters to monitor. It will give you the description of any code the the series 60 throws. I know I would not want to be without the Silverleaf.

[Jeff Bayley]

Thank you guys very much for the additional information. I think I'm ready to go ahead and give them a call, tell them the vintage of my bus, and get it ordered on Monday. Thank you for the input.

[Jeff Bayley]

I never got the Silverleaf unit yet but am ordering it today. The VPC model that uses a mini lap top. I want to put a slave monitor for the passenger side. How have other of you installed the wiring for the video input to the passenger side ? And what brackets can you recommend (or discourage if you don't like them) for the passenger side.

A picture of my dash is below. I'm installing a new stereo with a flip out screen and built in GPS. The location of the current radio is too low to see the screen so I'm disposing of the compass and outside temperature gauge (below the back up monitor to put it there. I'm also ditching the antiquated back up monitor since the head unit and flip up screen double as a back up monitor. Any suggestions of useful hardware I can put where the stereo is at now ? Otherwise I'll need to cover the hole with the same useless compass that I'm want gone. I might remake that whole piece out of nice hardwood since there will be a hole where the monitor is. Anyone else done this ? Would love to see how it came out. The Pro Driver stopped working so that is dead space that can be used for something else also. Maybe I should put the LCD for the Silverleaf somewhere in there.

Anyone heard anything good or bad about the Silverleaf Glass Dash which replaces all the gauges with a digital dash ? I'm not undertaking that now but curious.

I also think I need some of the push button switches. I put new bulbs in them but the sockets or something else is still not letting the lights work. Not a huge deal but if I wind up making a new dash piece, all those switches have to come out anyway so I could put replacements if I know where to order them. Maybe they will start to work in the process of jiggling them upon remounting them. Maybe some of them never were meant to light up to begin with ? This is a 97 Royal for any comments which I'm soliciting.

Unrelated, where do I find the dryer for the air system and how to check it for replacement ? I never even knew it needed to be checked until I read some other posts recently. I guess it will be self evident if it needs changing but I've but 50k miles on the bus and had it 5 years so guessing it needs changing. I also need to locate the aux air tank and drain that of moisture which I've never done but Prevost probably did 3 years ago when they were tracking down air leaks but I should assume that dumb and dumber did it and need to check myself.

Also, I need a new muffler. Around $650 I was quoted from Prevost Parts. Suggestions for where to get elsewhere ? My stainless extension that is the exhaust exit on the driver side that attaches to the end of the muffler is crunched. I suppose one from just about any converter would work. Where to order to save ? All replies very much appreciated.

[gmcbuffalo]

Jeff
My Air Dryer was between the drive axle and the tag on the passenger side of the bus. I don't think Lew had any pictures but he did an article on making a replacement dash of of wood.
GregM