Filling with fuel, problem?

[Just Plain Jeff]

Any bus or truck that I have ever filled that has dual fillers has barfed various amounts of liquid gold on the ground, in varying amounts. A guy could make up a whole bunch of reasons why, and some may or may not be true.

Tom, as usual, is dead-non right that the best fix is to use the civilian diesel pump and avoid the dreaded barf all together.

For the drama queens, you can fill both sides at once and try that. Probably would result in two pools of diesel instead of one.

Finding a 'quiet space' at a Flying J is something I have yet to achieve in life.

[lewpopp]

Well here goes. I have pumped more gallons of fuel than you guys have been minutes alive. Even more. I do not have the solution, although I have not spilled a bit of fuel at the truck side of Flying J. Must I tell you to stuff the nozzle all of the way in the hole and set it at the slowest flow. It will shut off every time unless you are at a malfunctioning nozzle. At the very end of the nozzle there is the shut off sensor. Jeeze.... If you want to be sure it'll work right, SUCK on it befor you put it in the filler tube. FJ warns you that it will deliver some ungodly amount of fuel per minute at a full fast hook. Does Jon or Jerry have to tell you everything?

I would have really liked to have seen Mango's bride rip him a new hole and make him strip on the pad. It would have been a site to see.

Sorry, I like live entertainment. Especially from old grey bearded dancers.

[Jon Wehrenberg]

I like live entertainment too, so hey Lew....I'd like to pay you a steak dinner for you and Kathy if you will fill my bus. BTW, you need to stand next to the nozzles, the side of your choice, and let me know how it feels to have a gallon or so of Flying J's finest in your shorts.

I did the lowest setting when I took my bath, and it still puked.

Your one side fill is different than the two side fill coaches. That is why I got the surprise bath. I was used to my old coach and on this one, without warning fuel shot all over the place....and then the damn nozzle shut off.

[Jerry Winchester]

Count me among the "non-pukers". Although the trucks were three deep this morning at the Love's in Amarillo, I fueled up (we only have one tank and it fills on pass side) with nary a drop spilled. Like Lew, I cram the nozzle down as far as possible and like Jon, if the fuel is cheap I squeeze as much in as possible.

But I hate the RV side of Flying J just because of the small nozzle. Seems like I am there for a Lew night before I get filled up. And some clone from the movie "RV" always pulls up beside me and blocks the only way out or some other inane thing happens, so unless I am dumping the tanks, I stay away.

[Ben]

I also have a 40'er with a single fill and use the truck side and let it fill to the top without a drop spilled.

Q? What the difference between diesel #1 and #2?

[Jerry Winchester]

The refining companies are well aware of the starting problems associated with diesels in cold weather, and they usually “winterize” their diesel fuel by mixing 15-20 percent No. 1 diesel with the conventional No. 2 diesel in cold climates. This improves the volatility of the fuel and reduces the cloud point to slightly lower temperatures. At this point, we should discuss the differences between the two grades of diesel fuel. Diesel No.1 and No.2 are the two common grades of diesel fuel. No. 2 diesel is by far the most widely used since it provides the most energy per gallon for improved power and mileage, and the highest lubricity for the fuel injection pump. Since it is a heavier distillate than No. 1 diesel, No.2 diesel is usually a few cents per gallon cheaper too. Some diesel engines are designed to operate specifically on No. 1 diesel, especially if the engine will be subjected to frequent starting and stopping, but No.1 diesel has several disadvantages. First, it provides less lubricity than No. 2 diesel, which can prove troublesome for some fuel injection pumps, and second, it contains roughly 95 percent of the heat energy of No. 2 diesel.

[dalej]

# 2 is the fuel of choice (price). But if its winter and it's cold (below 10 degrees) you will need # 1 since it doesn't gell up. Once #2 gells you have big trouble. It you are going to be headed to very cold locations you have to start using # 1 ahead of time, at least get a half tank of it.

Dale

[Jon Wehrenberg]

Lest anybody be concerned about their Prevost in cold weather we spent about 36 hours driving and stopping overnight when the lowest we saw was 26 below and the high for the time period was 21 below.

Gelling was not a problem, but we never turned it off so the warmer return fuel probably helped maintain warmer fuel temperatures. The bus heating system was excellent when parked with it on high idle (we never shut it off), but with the bus heat on its highest setting, the defroster fans going as fast as they could spin, the generator running so we could run the electric heaters up by the entry door we still froze our butts off when driving due to the cold air spilling down from the windshield that was being cooled by our 60 MPH wind chill.

If you ever experience sub zero temperatures just keep the bus running and I do not think fuel gelling will be an issue even if you have pure #2 in it.