POG II - The Aftermath

Our trip to Marathon last month was a big deal $$$$$$. They inititally wanted to charge 14.43 hours at $85/hour to replace the 2 upper front windshields on the "H", among other issues we needed corrected They wanted to charge $378/window. I had to go in and remind them that we had already discussed the price: 4 1/2 hours labor to replace with new windows that had blackout film on them for $250/window each.
The extra labour rate, I think, they were trying for was the fact the clearance between the new glass/film was so tight they had to adjust, sand some wood behind the shades, and then steam clean our shades(they got them dirty while changing the windows out) In the end we got the glass for the for 250 and they shaved 10 hours off the install and agreed the intitial charge seemed excxessive.
Chris and I have discussed that there are some coach owners, "The A Crowd" as wee call them, who have an open check book, just hand the converter a blank signed check and say FIT IT!. Welll, the first question out of our mouths is, "how much?" I know it drives Pat Sprenger crazy!:D
Yes, you need to stay on your toes.

Thanks to Tuga, Dale, and CoBus, for filling us in on their experiences with extraordinary repair cost and the improved results. This is what POG is all about.

Then we have fun experiences on top of it.

Remember this:
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After about 4500 miles and I did this:
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Then this happened:
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I spent all my money on fuel

Harry,

Your memory is going. I moved to 2nd base.

Lew

When my Bedroom Slide Seal Broke one week before POG ll, I made an appointment and took the Coach down to Prevost in Orange County by the hwy 15. It took 6.5 hours to do the R & R. I had told them when I first got there, Liberty said it was a new Seal and it should be under Warrenty. The deal I made with Prevost was , they would pick up the cost of the Seal and I would pay the Labor ( since they did not do the original replacement I guess).
Anyway, I recieved the Bill this week : $2900.00. They had forgot to credit the $2300.00 Seal. I got it squared away but that is one expensive inner tube!

Gary:

Did the bedroom slide have to be removed from the coach to install the new inner tube? 6.5 hours of labor seems excessive, unless the slide has to be removed from the coach.

When my bedroom slide gasket was knicked by a painter's grinding wheel, it took about 2 hours to remove and install the new inner tube. The bedroom slide did not have to be removed, the slide was retracted into the coach by removing the STOP bolt, thus allowing the slide room to slide in enough for the tech to change the inner tube. The cost of the inner tube was $1100, which I thought was high, but hey, supply & demand!

I am going to try to find a source that will sell me an inner tube directly. If I am able to contact a vendor, I will pass the info on to you and the rest of the POGGERS. I watched the tech change my inner tube, it is so easy I think that I could do it. I have a picture of the process, but I don't know how to post it on this website.

One more question, what caused the inner tube to fail? Did it roll when you were extending the slide?

Tuga,

On the Prevost side of the installed slides, all you need to do is tease the computer a bit, remove a piece of outside molding and the room recesses into the coach. then the inner seal is accessible.
On non-prevost installed slides (HWH in older bus conversion like the 6 "XL" Dominion floorplan coaches Country coach did, 2000-2001 MSO, 1999 shells) the entire room MUST be removed. This entails cabinetry disassembly etc. Monster hours to replace the seal and a monster of a bill to follow>:eek: That's why we got rid of ours 4 years ago. That, and it drove like a "beached whale" and was over weight on the front axle.:(

Lew: You were put on second because your arm went away but your voice is still strong. Yatta, yatta, yadda yadda (whatever). We definately missed you at POG2 there was exactly 20 seconds of silence at diner one night, which I'm sure you could have filled. You better show up @ POG3 or were coming to get you.
Harry

Well, the problem with the Liberty, as with other conversion Coaches, it takes 2 hours just to dis-assemble interior walls, exterior equipment just to get at everything. Yes , the slide does go in but first you have to;
A. Remove Fan, bypass the locking pins , 1 hour
B. Remove stops & Canopy @ top of Slide Room . 1.5 hour
C. Find / get to the slide motor, Hand ratchet the Slide 2-3 inches inside.
1 hour,
D. Remove Seal & Clean/Scrape off old Glue. 1.5 hours
E. Install new Seal, Slide roomm out, re-attach stops,re-attach Canopy.
Re-seal Stop Screws ( Marine Sealer) 1.5 hrs

F. Re-install Squirrel cage fan @ Computer for Slide Pins after re-setting.
1/2 hour
G. Wait 3 hours for Sealer on top of slide to dry before Sliding Room in.

I watched all of this so I could do it in the future. I am not sure how he go the Pins to open up, but everything else was strait forward.

Thanks Gary for the detailed description. I can now understand the 6 hour labor charges.

Do you know what caused the inner tube to fail?

Could you see a tear or cut in the old tube?

In case you haven't had your fill of POG II. A little pictorial summation of the trip.

http://www.prevoman.com/Pages/POG%20...agePogII0.html

Mike