Anybody seen Joe?

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Originally Posted by gmcbuffalo

I didn't realize Joe hung up a sign and was doing business. I thought he was a guy who had tools and helped the owner turn the wrenches. If people are dropping off buses for him to fix then he probably needs insurance.

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The difference is that if I take my coach to Joe and he does work, that's a transaction between us. Has nothing to do with this board...which by design in a place to share info and make contacts. The folks running this are the ones with the sweat equity in it...they make whatever rules they want, and that's their right. It's also mine to choose whether I stay a part of it or not.

Hanging this on a decision that Joe needs insurance is a farce. Just say that the sponsors are not happy with someone here getting repairs in that they could charge a premium for. Let that be that...at least it would be direct.

As far as the private posts being read, whatever. That happens on any site where this is set up. The only reason I'd send a PM is so I wouldn't bore others here with my ignorance!

I enjoy the info I learn here...and enjoy reading about the adventrues. But frankly...this isn't the way you treat someone who has not only driven business to your site, but also is a valuable resource. So..my right is to simply not renew.

Sorry this has generated so much heat...though it certainly is the 1st post I've listed that has gotten this much attention!

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Originally Posted by Darl-Wilson

My take is, "this too, shall pass" and soon be just a memory. Maybe Jim and Joe will resolve their differences. Maybe they won't. Does anyone really know what caused this squabble? Is it any of my business? Until I know I am not going to make a judgment nor am I going to leave a group that has become much like family. Which brings up another thought, something like cutting off ones nose to get even with ill-deeds of the face.

So with that I am going to surrender my baseball bat to Jerry Winchester and quit pounding on his pony.:rolleyes:

Darl

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I'm with Darl and feel that we would all do well to follow his lead on this transient issue.

I find that in life and many things in general the majority rules.

If you have someone off the street read this thread I feel their first thought would be that Joe is a very popular guy.
A good guy. A well liked guy.

This person would not even know Joe. They would see that a majority of the post were "possitive" with very few
negatives. They would cheer - We Want Joe Back -

Now in business, that is Utopian. More people liking and using your product than the few who do not. As stated, you cannot keep all the masses happy.

I doubt this site will fold because a few leave. On the same course- I am certain that with the events in play we will tread a little more towards shore and not in the deep waters. I would hope that PM's are just that. Private.

If all Joe needs is insurance I will set him up with a BOP and be done with it. I own my insurance agency and will foot the coin to do this. I have saved thousands by getting it done right the first time with Joe.

He does not need to carry work comp. It is just Joe working with no employees. So, he can elect to reject
him self off a policy nor would one be needed.

As to him carrying health insurance? Not our business.

A hand shake is the contract with Joe and most times that
is even better than a written contract.

Im done with my take on all of this. Would be best to lock
this thread down. Every web site seems to have the thread that will just not die. The thread that separates everyone...

Tully

PS
Let's not forget that the reason we joined the site was to learn and many times trouble shoot our problems. Just having your bus looked at for a problem- $100.00 gone without repairs every starting. So the fee each year in my book is a great savings. Most members can point you in the right direction right out of the gate. $ saved.

Tully,

What ever a BOP is, that's right nice of you.

Thanks!

I don't know what a BOP is either...but it sounds like a good thing and not all that painful? :)

A BOP is a Business Owners Policy. It is really geared for a small business. Covers liability aspects for Bodily Injury and Property Damage to others. Also, extends liability protection for a office or shop along with a small endorsment to cover tools of the trade.

Policy is not too much in that the premium is around $500.00 a year. Could be a little lower or a little higher.

A lot of commercial policies are based on number of employees and payroll / receipts. With Joe being a one man show- the whole process is very easy. There is no need for a Federal Id number. He is not a S or C Corp, not a partnership. He is an individual with a DBA. Even if he were a Corp. - still very very easy and not much $.

I will drop him a line when I have some time on my hands.

Tully

That is an extremely generous offer and will certainly give Joe and his customers a great deal of peace of mind to know if anything should happen they all have protection.

However, communicate with Joe. This is not about insurance. Insurance may play a part in this affair, but there were other issues and the bottom line is both parties have to come together. The other issues are really between Joe and Jim and I don't think any of us should be interfering. It is the two businessmen that need to resolve this.

Your offer however may be the catalyst to help make it happen. If nobody else says it, I will...Thank you.

Jon:

There is a handfull of people on this site that without saying are the Masters of Information. You being one. Joe being one. This is "IMO" only. But I am certain many agree.


I hope this works out for all of us.

Tully

I also want to say thanks for your offer to help somebody out. I don't know Joe but sure miss his posts!!! If you ever pass through CA. the steaks are on me:D or if I'm in Amarillo.

Jon you alluded to other issues besides insurance. Jim Skiff has not mentioned anything else so us outsiders can not solve the unmentioned issue. I have not spoken to Joe or Jim and am basing my point of view on what is on the POG site.

My real problem with all this is that here we have a nice website where we all learn and share info. Everyone seems happy. Then one day the "chief" removes one or two members who in my opinion have added a lot of value to the site. No explanation is given at first, then a very limited one that seems to be a red herring anyway. What does POG care whether Joe has liability insurance or not?

Why should we let Jim Skiff have the power to remove anyone without some explanation at least? Publish the rules and we can follow them. Since there are no rules, if something is out of bounds it should be in the open. If we can not operate in that civilized way then I do not want any part of it.

As I said before, if no clarification is forthcoming from Jim SKiff I will not be renewing.