I"ve seen something on e-bay...advice please..

Hi flyu2there,

I just found your Msg. about the 92 Mr. Oliver still has in Princeton, Tx..It's laid out all wrong for me or I'd have been talking to Paul Davis about it for sure..BUT..Paul also has the Perfect Coach..the 96 XL has everything but he is asking 175K..won't take less than 160K and I can't afford that high..I've offered him everything I have to trade plus 100K and he hasn't answered my e-mail about it sent 3 days ago..so I guess that means NO..

I look every day and go there and pine for that coach..It has everything Nax Naylor's H3 in Pa has..everything..!! even the small counter/cabinet opposite the kitchen with the stove in it and micro OH..which I've only seen in a very few coaches, never expected I might get that..but it's a normal XL..lower than the H3..but it's also a 96 and brings more dollars..worth it too..

If I could only find an 89..or 90..like it...Liberty did make the same floor plan back then..I have never seen any coach I wanted more..Even the Color scheme in this one is better than Max's to me..Softer & Brighter..OOOHHH

Believe me I have learned about what's in them all..even the 2009's..I look at...like I always did the higher ends for improving my RV's..with some little amenity..love doing it..

I have a small chandelier in my Dolphin that came out of a Prevost...smile..

I copied your suggestions and am going to call the Legal Aid and Sm. Claims Cts. tomorrow..

Thank you sooo much for everything...

Warm Hugs Love Viv..

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Originally Posted by flyu2there

Viv,

Your first stop should be your local Legal Aid, should be in the phonebook. Local attorneys often donate time pro bono (for free) to pass out basic forms of advice to people just like you. You will get a pretty good idea on what can be done to retreive your 5000.00.

Hope this helps a little!:D

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Hi Gary, All,
I called Legal Aid and they are having an atty. call me back..so I'll wait to call small claims court..

Below is all the Newest

Steve Katz Information...I have managed to acquire today via Phone call from Tom Tobin..

Owns home that is for sale via "Earl Weber Real Estate" Phone 239-218-9580
Home is Located at... The Forest Gated Community in Fort Meyers Fl..
Street address of said home is: 16530 Kimber Lakes Dr. zip 33908

Tom Tobin a Florida Motor Vehicles Investigator just called me on the phone a moment ago...
Saying in essence...there is nothing more this Dept. can do in my behalf because the man
is not licensed to sell Motor Vehicles in Fl..and has no physical address where he is selling any..

Tom Tobin advised me to go to small claims court and ask for a judgement against this
home or any paid for vehicle that Steve Katz may own..He says the authorities would sieze such a vehicle and Steve could not sell his house until he paid the judgement...

Tom Tobin also agreed with you all here that any other way to go would only end up costing me many more
dollars and I might still never retrieve my 5,000.00 deposit...

Steve Katz did tell the Motor Vehicle Dept. over the phone that he will not return my deposit but admitted he did receive it...

This is all I know after talking just now to Tom Tobin the Investigator...
and it's pretty much exactly as you all expected it to be...
I will do what I can with whatever advice I get from the Atty. Legal Aid is having call me...

Warm Hugs Always Viv...

Viv. You had better get on it with the small claims suit. It takes a month or so after he is served to get into court. Once you win, if you win, you have to petition the court for a defacto judgement. Once this is done, you have to record the judgement. Once you record the judgement, you have to then get a lein on his property. And so on.

I Hear You Gary,
And what doesn't make it sound good with Small Claims Ct. is noone having an address for him and I believe those charges have to be served in person...and no way they can do that without a valid address...Seems to me he may have had practice in this kind of fraud previously...I may well have to learn a bitter lesson...
I still have to try...I sent two e-mails to people who deal with Max Naylor and I got replies with an e-mail address for him as well as a phone number so I did write a letter to Max and explained what Steve has done just in case he doesn't know...He may or may not...
Hugs Always Viv...

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Originally Posted by garyde

Viv. You had better get on it with the small claims suit. It takes a month or so after he is served to get into court. Once you win, if you win, you have to petition the court for a defacto judgement. Once this is done, you have to record the judgement. Once you record the judgement, you have to then get a lein on his property. And so on.

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This Steve Katz scheme is likely covered under the 'Wire Fraud' statute. "Wire fraud is a legal concept in the United States Code which provides for enhanced penalty of any criminally fraudulent activity if it is determined that the activity involved electronic communications of any kind, at any phase of the event". Viv, this guy operates, advertises, use the internet, interstate telephone, etc which should qualify this as a federal crime. You should get a lot more help from the Feds and as a "Senior" than you will from a local DA with only legal authority within his jursidiction, like a city, county or state. You can also ask where to go to file a complaint for 'Crimes against Seniors'.

Finally, using that tact now that the Dems are in control might be better than a few month ago. They promised lots of help for Seniors. Get them to live up to those promises. (New bill signed by President Obama on 2-17)

Darl

I think someone with better computer skills than I have should find this guys email address and send him copies of Darl's "how-to" on getting federal agents to knock on this guys door.

If it was me I would return double the money I stole just to avoid the legal costs of defending myself, plus avoiding the risk of a little time in a federal prison.

Good advice Darl.

Steve Katz...

Registrant:
Naples Coach, LLC

16530 Timberlakes Dr
Ft Myers, Florida 33908
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: PREVOSTTRADER.COM
Created on: 22-Jun-04
Expires on: 22-Jun-09
Last Updated on: 22-Jun-08

Administrative Contact:
Katz, Steve skatz260@comcast.net
Naples Coach, LLC
16530 Timberlakes Dr
Ft Myers, Florida 33908
United States
(239) 229-8207 Fax -- (239) 489-9950

Technical Contact:
Katz, Steve skatz260@comcast.net
Naples Coach, LLC
16530 Timberlakes Dr
Ft Myers, Florida 33908
United States
(239) 229-8207 Fax -- (239) 489-9950

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OK,

Is ther any way someone can send him copies of the appropriate posts along with some advice on how a POG membership is going to start working to towards seeing that Viv prevails? Can Skiffer make him a one day member to read this?

Guys whose last name ended in a vowel found out a long time ago their way was more efficient than the courts, so maybe a little suggestion in that regard. After all we got Rick and Joe and they come from Joisey and Chicago. If the feds don't scare him maybe the boyz from Joisey or the Windy will.

Viv, go to the FBI with this, I think they would be very interested to hear what you have to tell them.

JIM

This guy needs what we used to refer to in NJ as a "tune up".......

Jim,

I think the FBI is tied up right now trying to find a candidate that can pass the "vetting" process to become Commerce Secretary. I won't be surprised when that person turns out to be our man, Steve Katz. How about getting a POG caravan ready to drive on Washington just in case that fairy tale turns out to be true!

Well then, Viv, you go to your state senator and tell all the media people what happened and get them on your side. Make a big issue out of it.
Do you have one of those citizens hot lines in your area?
You have all the data. Spread it around and make a big public issue of it.
Don't give up.
Go for the lien on the house, make Katz life as miserable as you can!!!!!!!

JIM

Guys,

The FBI is not interested in civil matters such as this.....sorry but that is the truth. Senators and Congressmen are not interested either, unless Viv is and has been a big contributor to campaigns....... Absolutely she can call them but she is not going to like what she hears!

Truth is, this is a Civil Matter. None of us know what transpired between Viv and Dr. Katz, do not know if there was a written agreement, do not know what was said or what was agreed to. I think most of us do not know Dr. Katz from Adam, don't know if he is a crook or an honest guy. The only way, and the way that is fair to both parties, is to resolve this in a Court of Law!

Viv, the only way this can be resolved in a cost effective and timely manner is to take Dr. Katz to Court and, as recommended, Small Claims is your best vehicle. Should you prevail you will garner a summary judgement against Dr. Katz and that too has been previously discussed; I would suspect that you would receive an immediate refund, once again, should you prevail. A word of caution here, have all documents available...he said, she said will not make the team! You will need written documentation to support your claim, both from you and Dr. Katz. Emotional pleas do not make the team, have all of the details available and be well prepared.

All the best,

John

Here is Steve and wife's real name.
KATZ, STEPHEN B & FRANCINE

The address is TIMBERLAKES not Kimberlake!

This is the picture of SawDustMan's find on Steve Katz's wifes business. I couldn't find them on title to this building or any of their associates so I'll assume they are renting. This is a condo building.
16454 Timberlakes Dr, Fort Myers, FL 33908




Home is listed as being in The Forest and has been discounted 100 k to $399,000.


16530 TIMBERLAKES DR FORT MYERS FL 33908 Note that the link shows "Naples Coach" This is noted on his website by his picture that "Steve comes to us from Naples Coach" Hmmm. Now that we have them on title to the Timberlakes property we can be pretty much assured that he and Fran are FL residents. I want to know why the FL DMV is unwilling to go after him for selling vehicles without a license and comiting fraud. At 1st they told Viv that he wasn't licensed so they couldn't pursue him. What the hell do state agencies do with unlicensed businesses? It looks like in the State of Florida they don't do anything because they are unlicensed. Sounds like a place ripe for me to move my mortgage company!

Tax Collector for Lee County, FL Note, no taxes due. Must have been paid with Viv's deposit. Taxes were $3,772.39 for 2008



All the information below is FYI in case someone living this area might be familiar with any of these players. People living at this address; Stephen B. Katz, Francine M. Katz, and Marc Halpern.
Florida companies listed at this address: Halpern Associates. Inc. an inactive Foreign-for-profit created on 7-28-95. Marc Halpern is President. He is 67 years old and has lived in Nyack, NY and Pompano, FL Mary Williams is listed as an officer of this company. Mary William is also shown as having a company at this address but it is likely that she is listed solely because she is an officer of Halpern.

Roberto's Gourmet Coffee and Yogurt, Inc is the other company listed at this address. Direstors are Stephern B. and Francine M. Katz. Dennis J. Lumsden is the registered Agent for this inactive domestic-for-profit corp that was incorporated on 8-31-1998. Not listed at this address is another ol' Steve company and maybe his son.

John is right, the FBI, the CIA, and a bunch of those other agencies are busy with protecting to country and lots of irritating politicians BUT there are agencies out there that will take up your cause Viv. Some are brand new and some are little known. If you are persistent you might prevail. Spending money to hire an attorney is only going to reward the attorney. We have spent a lot of time gathering up some evidence that this guy if less than honest. What you do with it is up to you. You have most of the sites and agencies that are likely to help you.

I think most of us have grown weary of this project but if you want to pursue this guy some of us will probably help you as best we can. It's up to you to head in the right direction and to stay focused.

Good luck,

Darl

You mean either it will kill you or make you stronger:rolleyes:

Hello Everyone,

There's just no way I can begin to tell you all how I feel...

I've been cheated too many times since I've been making my own decisions...I thought I'd wized up until I saw that Prevost and knew I could buy it...so desperate to get it I let PNC Bank send the money to Steve before I saw it..sooo sure I'd be driving it home and I would have if not for that height...and Steve should have given me back the money...I signed nothing but the authorization for PNC to send it to him...He made the statement he wrote sound like I'd bought it and I had to sign it or the bank would not have sent him the 5K..when I actually hadn't..and he knew it..but because I didn't have an agreement in writing that the money was refundable even a Judge might hold me to what he wrote and I signed..It is debateable..BUT..

Because of all the trouble Darl and all of you are going thru' for someone none of you have ever even met in person..I will send the information you've given me here to everyone I can find who might listen and be able to help get it back..as well as bring Steve Katz to justice..You deserve it more than me..

Darl especially you have had to have done a lot of searching to find out all the information you have about Steve..I can't just let that go without doing everything in my own power to right this wrong..and try to make it all worthwhile..

I've always been a fighter for right..but I've run into some other things I tried very, very hard to right and got no place...

My Credit is ruined over 7,000K that Chase Bank claims I borrowed from them via a Credit Card they issued in my name that I never applied for or ever even saw..For over a year they called my phone number between 15 & 20 times a day..I was near distraction when the calls finally stopped after I sent them not one but two affadavits swearing I'd never borrowed any money from them...It was out and out Idenity Theft..and it's believed that my vital information was taken from the highly publicised Laptop AT&T had Stolen from one of their employees..and I am a reciepient of my husband's AT&T Pension & whose info was on that Laptop..I fought that and it's still not taken off my Credit Rating..

Now this happens..I wish I could just look for my bus...but most of the heart has gone out of me..especially since I have water system problems with my Dolphin that have kept me home all this winter..They can't get the parts to fix it..I feel sooo defeated..but I am so overwhelmed at the pouring out of the goodness of all you people I just can't let all you've done be for nothing...not without doing everything I can to stop Steve Katz from very likely hurting even more people...

I could tell you of even more incidents during the past 11 yrs. but it would do no one any good...they were my own fault..

To say Thank you to you all again is a useless phrase now...it just doesn't do it..!!
But please know I wish someone would invent a new word for it...
You just can't imagine how much I hope I'll get to meet you all one day..and how sorry I am for the whole mess..

Love Viv...

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Originally Posted by Darl-Wilson

Here is Steve and wife's real name.
KATZ, STEPHEN B & FRANCINE

The address is TIMBERLAKES not Kimberlake!

I think most of us have grown weary of this project but if you want to pursue this guy some of us will probably help you as best we can. It's up to you to head in the right direction and to stay focused.

Good luck,

Darl

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Dear Jim & All,

This brings you up to date on what's happening in my life...

Fl. State Att. Gen. has set up a "Seniors vs Crime" Dept..and I have given them all the info I have as well as called my own State Senator's office and they told me to continue with the Florida help first...

Also what you don't know is that I had Cashed in the balance of my husband's IRA left to me when he died...The bank told me I would have to pay about 4,000. Income Tax on that 72,000...so I was prepared for that..but when I went to my Tax Preparer and she told me it wasn't 4,000 but instead 18,000...I near fainted...

I about gave up all hope of getting a Prevost...but maybe I just got a reprieve..!!! .My local PNC Bank in Brick, NJ...approved a 50,000 equity loan on my house...at under 4%...150.00 mo. payment...I haven't taken that yet...but I might have a 94 Prevost bus in Fl..for 115,000...I just wrote the owner tonight and told him I could take it now..and am waiting for his reply...

Afraid to get too excited...but had to tell you guys...had to tell someone...!!!
I'm really apprehensive about it after sooo many disappointments...but I just can't give up...

Here is the bus...I haven't talked to the place where he has it listed because I talked to him when he first put it up on Prevost Stuff...even before he listed it with www.floridaluxurycoach.com
so he might save the dealer fee because of that...I hope that happens for him.. He and his wife just had a brand new baby..below is a copy of his message to me...about price..
His name is Donnie Vucinovic
----- Original Message -----
From: dvucinovic@aim.com
To: journeyone@comcast.net
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: 1994 Prevost Liberty / Prevost-stuff

VIVIAN,

SORRY FOR THE DELAY, MY WIFE AND I HAD A BABY GIRL TODAY.. I'M GONNA BE SHORT AND SWEET ONLY BECAUSE I AM BEAT.. I COULD POSSIBLY DO 115K IF THAT WOULD WORK, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE A STRETCH..

LET ME KNOW AND I WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

DONNIE V
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-----Original Message-----
From: Vivian A. McGraw <journeyone@comcast.net>
To: dvucinovic@aim.com
Sent: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 9:42 pm
Subject: 1994 Prevost Liberty / Prevost-stuff
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You can see I've known about this bus for almost two months...but never thought I could get it...I'm so glad now that I save the info on all the busses I see and wish I could afford..Smile...I'm really scared of a new monkey wrench getting caught in the works...This one even has colors I'd choose.. that makes me more scared...Go see it here..
and please someone reassure me that it's just an XL not an XL11 ...I know it's not an H3...Thank Goodness...

http://www.floridaluxurycoach.com/po...p?comments=147

HAPPY EASTER TO YOU ALL...

Warm Hugs Always Viv...

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Originally Posted by JIM CHALOUPKA

Well then, Viv, you go to your state senator and tell all the media people what happened and get them on your side. Make a big issue out of it.
Do you have one of those citizens hot lines in your area?
You have all the data. Spread it around and make a big public issue of it.
Don't give up.
Go for the lien on the house, make Katz life as miserable as you can!!!!!!!

JIM

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Vivian,

Yup, it's a 40 foot XL. This is the lowest "overhead" you will find.

Good grief, are bus's really this cheep?

I don't know if they are cheap or not.

For example any of us that has purchased a bus prior to the collapse in pricing that started a year or two ago has seen the resale value of our coaches drop significantly. But so has the value of every other bus (except those owned by people who missed the memo about low prices).

That situation has created a possible problem. When your bus has a relatively high value (compared to what you paid for it) it is easy justifying an expenditure to maintain it, refurbish it, repaint it, etc. But when its value drops significantly does that mean the owner will just drive the hell out of it and not spend money to keep things current?

The bus value has dropped, but that does not mean the cost to maintain or repair or refurbish it has not. In fact relative to the value of the bus, those things have jumped significantly. If a person had a coach worth $300,000 it might be easy to rationalize spending $15,000 to do some serious repairs on an engine that is showing signs of serious problems. But as we have seen some values have fallen so significantly, that the $300,000 coach is now worth $150,000, at which point the owner may just decide to sell the coach rather than spending 10% of its total value just to fix something that may go undetected in a sale.

I'll wager there is a lot of deferred maintenance going on right now because not only have bus values dropped, but the owners are also poorer due to the economy.

If I were to buy a cheap bus right now I would be all over it so I knew exactly what its condition was before a penny changed hands. As to the value of my coach, who cares? When we bought it it was not with the intent to trade up. It was to be a coach we would own a long time, and therefore would maintain with that thought in mind. My coach and many others have dropped in value, but I still intend to maintain it and as it becomes time to change the flooring or reupholster the furniture we will do that even though proportional to the coach value those upgrades will make less sense.

If I were to buy a coach right now I would find the best coach for the total money, meaning I would pay more for a coach that needs nothing, or a lot less for one that needs some work so my total cost is in line with the market. I have seen some coaches you would not be able to give me. I have also seen some coaches that were bought for so little it makes me wonder why anyone would even consider a new coach.

You know I guess it's all relative. I'm probably just jealous, I would love to be a first time bus shopper at this time and know what I know about these bus's.

You made good points Jon, good value or a good price, you don't know unless you pick that bus apart.

Lets say we start a POG bus buyers service, or BBS you pay $5,000 you get 3 guys to come to the bus that your going to buy, fine tooth comb the bus and give you a list of the items that will need attention. The three guys will converse and let you know if it's a good purchase at the agreed on sale price.

Viv,

Aside from what Jon mentioned, take a close look at that second mortgage offer. I would make certain that 4% is not a teaser rate for 12-18 months or that it is not loaded somewhere with points and fee's. 4% 2nd money is very low ......................

Also you may consider rolling over that cashed in IRA, you have some time to do that and it probably would save you some $$$; go to a CPA not H and R Block.

John

----- Original Message -----
From: DVucinovic
To: Vivian A. McGraw
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: 1994 Prevost Liberty / Prevost-stuff


VIVIAN,

COME ON DOWN AND PICK UP YOUR 1994 LIBERTY FOR 115,000. BUT I AM FLORIDA LUXURY COACH. I WILL HOLD THE COACH FOR YOU TIL TUESDAY WITH NO DEPOSIT, JUST ON YOUR WORD....DOES THIS WORK FOR YOU?

DONNIE V

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Originally Posted by flyu2there

Viv,

Aside from what Jon mentioned, take a close look at that second mortgage offer. I would make certain that 4% is not a teaser rate for 12-18 months or that it is not loaded somewhere with points and fee's. 4% 2nd money is very low ......................


John

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Hi Viv. Do not pay any money until you have the Coach inspected by a 3rd party.

And it never rains but it pours is really true...

E-Bay also has a bus I could have for 86,000...and it's located in Piedmont S.C.. So I could go some miles off I-95 on my way to Fl..and see this one too..If I could buy the one in S.C..I wouldn't have to take the money from the Bank..

Also it isn't a second Mortgage I'd be taking...I own my house outright the past 11 yrs...

And Jon as usual is so right about maintenance...but at least I hope I'd be able to find it for a prevost...I've had to spend all winter at home because I can't find anyone who can fix the Dolphin Water System Manifold...and how could I even think of asking a Prevost owner like Joe C. to bother with a gas engine RV...which I bet he could have fixed in a heartbeat...

If I get enough help in not making a bad choice in a Prevost I'll be getting much more than I deserve...after all the trouble I've put so many of you to already..

If I get a bus that needs repair except one that keeps me from driving it a little...I would be glad to do the repairs a little at a time to get the cheapest one and not owe the bank a payment the rest of my life...or until my house sells...I do have it in writing that I will pay no Pre-Pay Penalty for paying the loan off anytime I can...and I'll try to make real sure the payment can't be changed...before I touch a dime of that 50,000 from PNC...

I like the one for 115 in Fl. better than the one in S.C. for 86 but I would buy the one that needed the least repair..both have the floor plan I've been looking so hard for..except that the one for 86 is dark wood...Below is the URL for the one in S.C..but I'm concerned about the height of this one until I'm sure it's an XL ...I don't know what "Model: Prevost Liberty 8V-92" means...I think it means the year it was actually built and engine size but not sure.. What I want to be sure of first is it higher than an XL..?? Smile ...I know I have a lot yet to learn..and I'm trying not to make a mistake..

This long winter alone hasn't done me one bit of good...I can't wait to back the Dolphin out the driveway by Monday so please write me back with any advice as soon as you read this...I am going to leave Monday...maybe even tomorrow..

Joe C., if you see this will you please call me...732-458-3480 or anyone else who wants to...

Jon, I know you're right but I have to make a decision..and with my Faith I don't think it could have come at a better time..I never had two at once to choose between before..They're both only two states apart and I'll try to see them both before I make any decision...I'd be happy to pay for some one to look at one of them...at least..either one...

Hey I have the biggest real live headache I've ever had in my life...in every way...Smile... Here I am again ...So Close and Yet So Far...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...1123&viewitem=

Hugs Always Viv...

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Originally Posted by dalej

Good grief, are bus's really this cheep?

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Viv,

If you look at the coach at floridaluxurycoach and you think you might want to buy it, then please walk right across the parking lot to Excalibur Coach and talk to Doug the owner of Excalibur. He is very knowledgeable of the Prevost chassis and most conversions. His hourly rate was about $90 an hour if a I remember correctly. I had work done by his outfit last June and I was very satisfied with the service. It would be well worth $300 to $500 dollars to have Doug give the bus a good inspection and then give you a list of his recommendations. It will be the best money you spend. Especially if the list he gives you is long and expensive. Better to find out before you sign on the dotted line.

With all of the proffering of help and suggestions, has anyone thought about whatever contract or arrangement this Katz guy had with the actual owner of the bus? Perhaps, our friend who is being bilked has some leeway with the owner of the coach in getting back her $5K. If not, perhaps as one person put it, she has a "downpayment" on a parcel/property and if this is the case, how could it be sold to anyone else? Sounds like a sort of bigamy? Or, if it is sold to someone else (or at least offered) with any sort of deposit being held for an "authorized by owner" entity, would not the actual owner have to clear any claims on the bus e.g. $5000.00 for a deposit? Hmmmmmmm

The saga continues.

Now she has found 2 Libertys 1 year apart and 30 grand apart.

A quick look at the 85000 one uncovered a OTR a/c system that someone switched from r-12 to 134a and it is currently inop. That right there could cost plenty. We spent 6 grand on ours. It also is a repo. It looks kept up but the old records are probably gone for sure being a repo.

For a guy like me I think even with all that said if all else equal I would certainly not rule it out.

Although the coach on E-Bay appears to have been detailed and looks pretty good from 20 feet or so................

What went on inside? That sofa looks like there was a shooting with a less than favorable outcome for the two victims. Even got down onto the carpet by the driver and you know the detailer attempted to clean it. Add 1 sofa, and new carpets!

What's the telephone book covering up? Why all the smell good sachets inside? The light is on inside the refer yet the micro-wave cover is blank.
Add 1 microwave. What is the bedspread doing in the closet? Victim number 3? Add a mattress and new bed spread.

No visible wear on the carpet across from the questionable couch, sofa number two removed? Add I sofa or something other than the spare dining table chairs and an occasional table fresh from Big Lots!

Permanent stain on toilet, also bathroom sink, drain covered in calcium. Add Corian work, new drain, probably galley as well. Covers for sink and stove?
Stains on dining room chairs. Add new cushions, possibly covers.

Outside, whats the series 60 sign covering up? Repair dent or hole.
Agree with Joe, R-134 note appears to be done in Lip Stick. Mirrors operaing sans chrome, probably on glass as well. Add two mirrors.

Where are the 3 heat pumps on the roof they claim? They admit a number of defects in their description. Probably an ok coach for someone who is a decent mechanic, has lots of spare time and money.

Viv,

The XL's are basically the same right up until 2000 and they will either be an XL (40') or an XLV (45'). Both you are looking at are 40' XL's. The 8V92 is the Detroit engine and was phased out of the buses around 1995.

I'll bet money that 94 Liberty on e-bay will get the price bumped way up by the auction end or they will pull the plug if the bid's aren't high enough and claim it's sold locally.

Well Viv,.....I hesitate to get into this can of worms and so help me someone knock some sense into my head, but.....I have a 90 Marathon that has no hidden secrets. A lot has been done over the 7 years I have owned it. Just 4 days ago I had Detroit go over it. They drained the tranny and refreshed the fluid and filter. Flushed the Radiator and installed fresh coolant.

I could go on and on. If you are coming to Florida, take a little side trip to Port St Lucie and look at a pristine coach. I know you'll love it and it's a peach. Pictures on request.

I have not offered it up for sale but I am about to. If I would get over this parcemonity on offering on houses, maybe someone would accept one.

I Sure Don't Blame You Lew,
I just got home last night..Took a Greyhound in case I bought it..Didn't want to pull my tow car with a new to me coach 3' longer than I've driven in 26 yrs..
I saw a lot that you noticed too..Knew there had been a sofa where the Big Lot's chairs were stuck in there..Overall it looked pretty clean and good on the surface..but the bed was a rock..and the mattress thicker than any I've ever seen in any coach..I would have to have had a step to get up onto it daily..or buy a new one..

Most of all it had the Mirrored Ceiling..I thought that would be okay in an XL.. Not so high...but it made no difference to me..I think it's a raised roof anyway..It's the biggest NO NO I ever encountered..I can't handle it..Bob at Karolina Koach suggested painting it..!! LOL

My Cell phone didn't work, Joe..and I can't talk on reg. phones..Hearing aids Whistle.. I left the Charger home..I packed and was on the bus in an hour Easter Sunday..1:00 P.M. to make the connections and be to S.C. by 8:00 A.M. Monday..arrived Greenville, S.C. 10:15 A.M. Got Cab to Piedmont at about 1:00 P.M.from there closest stop to Piedmont..14 miles..Changed busses 4 times and waited several hours twice..

Now hear this..Bob at K.K. had a man drive me to a Motel 8..about Noon and I was to go back the next day after resting up..I was dead tired..
Turns out the man was a local and no part of K.K...He offered to take me to another dealer to look at a Pre there.."Porters"..He didn't know the year..It was a 96 Liberty with mirrors and too expensive..John, his name, took me to lunch and told me all the busses at K.K. come from a nearby Auction..told me about the family of K.K..Mother inherited money & set two sons up in business by building a fancy big Showroom..etc..Forgot my Camera too..!!!

I left home as fast as I did to go there because the one brother who I never met told me he would not hold the bus 'til Tues. if I didn't give him a 500.00 Dep. NON REFUNDABLE..Need I tell you my reaction to that..?? So I was out of here STAT..I really hoped to get it..

After all I learned about K.K. I took a cab back to the Bus Term. in Greenville the next morning..Never went back to K.K...

All the way home I wondered how I was going to tell you all that I'd given up..but I'm rested now..and looking again..Much more happened that I won't go into..It's over..but I do wonder if I'm meant to have My Bus..

In a few days I'm going down to Newport News, Va. to visit my Dau. in Law. from my Son Bobby..and she will take me around there to look..

In Oct. I'll go down to Fl. and if I don't find it those two trips..or somewhere in between I believe I will come home in something else..Soo tired of looking and I still wish I'd gotten the 92 Country Coach at The Great Outdoors Dealer in Titusville..in 2006..It was the first one I drove and I just wanted to keep on going..but there again a dirty Dealer ruined the sale..by trying to get 3K more after the deal was made..He said he made a mistake in his figures..I left and he called me back when I was 200 miles up I-95 enroute to NJ..Another Mike at http://eaglespridervsales.com/
Now he too is out of business, I believe..

Warm Hugs ...Love you all...Always Viv..

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Originally Posted by lewpopp

Well Viv,.....I hesitate to get into this can of worms and so help me someone knock some sense into my head, but.....I have a 90 Marathon that has no hidden secrets. A lot has been done over the 7 years I have owned it. Just 4 days ago I had Detroit go over it. They drained the tranny and refreshed the fluid and filter. Flushed the Radiator and installed fresh coolant.

I could go on and on. If you are coming to Florida, take a little side trip to Port St Lucie and look at a pristine coach. I know you'll love it and it's a peach. Pictures on request.

I have not offered it up for sale but I am about to. If I would get over this parcemonity on offering on houses, maybe someone would accept one.

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Please send the pictures Lew...
Of course I want to see them..
Warm Hugs Always Viv..

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Originally Posted by lewpopp

Well Viv,.....I hesitate to get into this can of worms and so help me someone knock some sense into my head, but.....I have a 90 Marathon that has no hidden secrets. A lot has been done over the 7 years I have owned it. Just 4 days ago I had Detroit go over it. They drained the tranny and refreshed the fluid and filter. Flushed the Radiator and installed fresh coolant.

I could go on and on. If you are coming to Florida, take a little side trip to Port St Lucie and look at a pristine coach. I know you'll love it and it's a peach. Pictures on request.

I have not offered it up for sale but I am about to. If I would get over this parcemonity on offering on houses, maybe someone would accept one.

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Some folks are parsimonious and others are parcemonity. :( Others are just plain cheap!:mad:

Put me in the cheap column.;)

Viv,

Please do not take this the wrong way, it is by no means meant as hostile. First you have to ask yourself, what am I going to do with my Dolphin. Second, do I have a place to park my Prevost? Third, what will it cost me to insure the coach? Fourth, and probably the most important, what am I going to do with the coach?

The grand scheme of things will show that a mattress and how hard it may have been, is really not a concern; same for mirrored ceilings...most coaches have the mirrored ceilings. Far less than other items that could be going on with the coach, you might be looking at 3-500 dollars tops....for a very good bed and who knows about the mirrors. Also remember that you really do not care about the heritage/personality or backgrounds of the sellers as long as you are satisfied with the transaction. The 500 dollar non refundable deposit also is a non player; you already looked at the bus and, apparently made your decision. Personally I would have organized some kind of inspection of the coach to see where the real cost's may be hidden!

As Joe mentioned, that coach was so inexpensive, unless there is really something serious going on, it should have be able to meet your needs for a price that was unheard of a year ago! Also you have to ask yourself if you are you in a position to put say an additional 30K into the coach to make it your dream?

I know Joe has and others as well have offered to help you with this dream, goodness Viv, take them up on it! Do not go looking at coaches without backup....

You mentioned that you took the bus in case you drove it home....wouldn't it have been wiser to drive; you can travel at your own pace and arrive refreshed. I don't know of a dealer/seller on the planet that would let a coach go without full payment and would would certainly need proof of insurance.

John

Hi John,
I was prepared to stay in Piedmont a bit if I wanted the coach..and I would have called Joe before I signed any papers..I've never met Joe or any of you..but I know so much about Joe I'd trust him with anything..

Just look at what he's doing with his own coach right now...He's amazing...I read all the new posts even tho' I don't have much right to talk about anything except what I'm doing myself as long as I don't own my own Prevost..I have learned soooo much here..!!!!

I can park the bus on my own property in NJ where I've always kept the Dolphin..and move the Dolphin to my daughter's property in Bayville, NJ..then I would advertise it for sale if I can't trade it..but I can't let myself be with no coach until I find one to replace it.. I've long since planned ahead for these things..

The worst thing is getting older too fast..The stress isn't doing me any good for sure..Say I've been lucky but I've never had any where near this kind of searching for moving up the ladder thru' the years..This will surely be my last coach..whatever it is..and if it weren't for the economy and my chances of really realizing my Dream..I'd have had a different coach 3 yrs. ago..and wouldn't be looking at my Dolphin sitting outside my back door all but unuseable for over a year..due to National going Belly-Up..so where the economy seems to help in one way it hurts in another..

Everyone I know tells me to take it back to Fl. where there are more mechanics who could jury rig the water system from parts they could get at Walmart..stay out of debt with the Bank..keep my cash and go..but I can't take cash in a hearse only my Stupid Dream..if even that could go with me..and when you don't feel good you lose interest in everything..I'm tired and fear is setting in for doing this alone..Once I had the courage of a wild cat but not anymore..

Hugs Always Viv
PS: Sending this fast before I change my mind...

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Originally Posted by flyu2there

Viv,

Please do not take this the wrong way, it is by no means meant as hostile. First you have to ask yourself, what am I going to do with my Dolphin. Second, do I have a place to park my Prevost? Third, what will it cost me to insure the coach? Fourth, and probably the most important, what am I going to do with the coach?


I know Joe has and others as well have offered to help you with this dream, goodness Viv, take them up on it! Do not go looking at coaches without backup....

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John

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About the below comments...

I get down in the dumps sometimes like most of us do ...but I rally again and start looking every day for My Bus...I find one frequently that I'd love to have... It's just that it's always out of my price range...but I can't give up...ever...

Hugs Always Viv...


Everyone I know tells me to take it "the Dolphin" back to Fl. where there are more mechanics who could jury rig the water system from parts they could get at Walmart..stay out of debt with the Bank..keep my cash and go..but I can't take cash in a hearse only my Stupid Dream..if even that could go with me..and when you don't feel good you lose interest in everything..I'm tired and fear is setting in for doing this alone..Once I had the courage of a wild cat but not anymore..

Hugs Always Viv
PS: Sending this fast before I change my mind...

Viv,

Since we've never gotten into the issues with the Dolphin because we were involved with your search for a Prevost, maybe this is the time to help a little with the Dolphin so it might eventually end up as a trade.

You never said what is wrong with the water system. But without ever having seen a Dolphin, much less worked on one I can say with certainty that is about the easiest part of the coach to fix unless the problem involves broken pipes. Can you elaborate on what is wrong?

The water system consists of a tank to hold water, a pump to deliver water, pipes to carry it to the faucets, and the faucets themselves.

If the pipes do not leak and the water holding tank does not leak I cannot imagine anything with a cost of more than $100 being needed to fix it. If the problem is a tank leak, they are easily repaired no matter what the tank is made of, and if the pipes are leaking as big a problem as that is, it merely involves running new pipes or repairing the existing ones.

Getting your Dolphin fixed at least allows you to travel.

Viv,

I suspect that the Dolphin used off the shelf parts for everything, including the water system. Really think that the parts are available and should be easy to find. As Jon described there are but a few parts in the system...post the symptoms and I am certain you will get a reply, probably save you a trip to FLA.

John

Tomorrow I will be going to look at a 1990 Executive conversion for Viv.

She is pretty excited to say the least. I want to assure all I will not let her buy it unless I am confident it could reliably get her anywhere.

It looks good the owners seem very credible with its description, we will see tomorrow.