I spoke with David at Liberty Coach in Jax. He had alot to say about attaching a lift, all bad. So now that a lift is out. Anyone know of a good enclosed 21 to 30 foot car hauler for sale? Now I have to remove the bike from the signature.
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I spoke with David at Liberty Coach in Jax. He had alot to say about attaching a lift, all bad. So now that a lift is out. Anyone know of a good enclosed 21 to 30 foot car hauler for sale? Now I have to remove the bike from the signature.
Jeff,
You may want to check out this trailer as posted by dreadnought.
http://www.prevostownersgroup.com/fo...hlight=trailer
Welcome to POG.
Mike
Hi Jeff. One last thing . Make sure to check with DMV regarding allowable length of trailer and bus in the states you wish to travel. Brian E had also indicated a commercial license may be required in states with towabe weight over 10k.
Thanks a lot Jon,
You just hit me where I live..I want a Pre so I can have my dream come true...and I'm not going to be eating, sleeping or playing in the engine or drive train, compartments..
If I have to buy one soley because it runs good I could buy an MCI or something like that a whole lot cheaper...or just keep my Dolphin...which has a great layout..
I already know I have to give up my one slide...but I know too the extra 3 feet in length will more than compensate for that one sacrifice...
If it has chairs I don't care for I can change them...but there's not much else I can think of that could be moved around or exchanged...lol...
What I want is the quiet in the Pre...the fabulous drivers compartment...love the mood lights around some windows...and I have seen one I would love to buy that made me come here...
The URL is http://www.eaglespridervsales.com/eaglespride6_003.htm ..I would love to hear what you have to say about this ad...I've driven this coach about 5 miles...but didn't buy it right off...It's still for sale...
Hugs Always Viv....aka JourneyOne
Viv,
My comments are to be understood as not being related to price.
The floor plan is typical of that vintage coach. In fact it is not unlike newer non-slide coaches. It works. On the surface the coach looks nice. The finish is a little tired and dated.
What is needed is a hands on evaluation. As a professional driver you clearly understand all the maintenance a coach requires. My starting point with the seller would be a review of the service history. If there is none I don't run away from the coach, but I do make sure the price reflects that I will treat the brake chambers and air bags as junk in my mind and will make sure if I buy that coach that they are replaced.
I will look at the tire date codes. The tread may be great, but if they are 5 years old they need to be replaced. Ditto the batteries, both the house and the bus. Five years is a good life. After that you are on borrowed time.
Since it is a 92 the coach as DDEC II and ATEC so I would have the Detroit and Allison dealers read the codes.
If everything checked out up to that point, and the price still reflects whatever the coach needs, like the aforementioned brake chambers or tires, then I would start operating the coach systems. I would start with the biggies, and work my way down. The generator and the AC systems would be the first things I would operate.
That particular coach does not have the Prevost over the road air. Because of that I would verify every AC system, including driver's air was in perfect operating condition. Especially if you intend to operate it in the southwest in the summer.
After methodically going through every system, operating every switch and knob you will have a very clear idea of the condition of the coach.
None of the systems or devices can be evaluated with pictures from a web site.
If you are just starting you search go to every web site that has coaches for sale, and visit and look at every one you can reasonably get to. You will very quickly get to the point where you will know when you have that "eureka" moment.
Look especially for coaches that reflect pride of ownership. They will be clean everywhere, all systems and components will work, and the owner will have all manuals and books along with documents relating to service.
Good luck
Do not be afraid to ask POG members that live near a coach to go look at it. A number of folks have done that, and it will save you from making a trip to look at a dog, or will inspire you to look at a creampuff.
Here's a Liberty that is likely to be very clean. A converter won't touch one of this age unless it is a good coach.
I just don't know why I am seeing Liberty Coaches in this vintage without over the road air. That is uncommon.
http://prevost-stuff.com/1989-Liberty-Parl-C232.htm
Viv,
Very close to my coach, which is a 93 CC. Similar white-washed oak etc. I'm a little surprised at the low price. I paid considerably more for mine, and I thought I was getting a pretty good deal. It does have considerably more miles than mine, but in some aspects, you don't want too little use either.
As John mentioned, the exterior paint looks a bit tired and warn from the photos. Probably from being stored outside.
I would expect to save around $25k for maintenance and repairs on an older coach, like this. I had severe A/C problems with mine which cost a mint to finally get resolved. New tires and there goes another $4k in a hurry.
Anyway, a coach of this era can be a real joy. Mine is finally where I wanted it to be mechanically.
Check it out very carefully however, as the low price actually scares me a bit.
Ray
Viv,
I looked further into the web site on that CC coach.
My remarks are all valid for any coach you are considering. On this particular coach I actually saw it in person. It is tired. You need to steal it.
You can do better.
Bill and Jodie live there. I would assume they will echo my remarks.
WM or Jodie? Care to comment?
I'm curious what a steal would be? There are 4 1992 coaches on P-stuff. The cheapest is $159k, while the other 3 run $189 to $220k. I believe that Phil Coopers site has similar asking prices.
Generally, from when I was looking, 1992 coaches were getting in the $175k range, so this one listed at $114 to me feels like it's very low priced. Although, as pointed out, it's not in the best of shape, and mileage is high.
ray
Bill,Jodt, Kathy and I looked at the coach at TGO and it was very tired.
As for the coach listed by Parliament (89). Was the price somewhere. Ray commented that the price was quite low. I couldn't locate the price.
Lew
Viv, There are a half dozen or so 40' Coaches on PhilCooper.com . We all have spoken about the moment when you see the coach you have to buy. So, let us know when you find that Coach.
Lew,
If you click on Viv's original link to the coach, then click on the "Inventory" link on the left side of the page, you'll see a list of coaches and their prices. This coach was something like 2nd to the bottom, listed at $114,900.
Ray
Hi Joe & Debbie, Jeff & Bert, Jon, Gary,
Believe me I've looked at Pre's at every place you named...I have all their URL's on my puter desktop since Jan. when I got back from my trip cross country...and I look at each place every day...
Joe and Debbie, that was a wonderful offer you just made me about work that something I buy might need...I really like the 92 Country Coach at Eagle's Pride but Mike the owner there already scared me good...I almost drove that home in Jan...was one hour away from signing on the dotted line...Glad I didn't now...he just offered it to me again for 95K and my Dolphin..would have paid much more in Jan but with only my Coach House in trade...I would only talk about that in a private e-mail or on an IM...I'm on both Yahoo and MSN in case you're on one of them...Where are you located...I'm in NJ..
Jeff and Bert, I was kind of scared I was the only woman here and that was an intimidating thought...Whew..!!! Thanks so much for the encouragement..
Is Amanda a woman alone like me...I can't tell from the posts made..
Gary, I've seen quite a few on E-Bay and I'm on their "Watch List" get notified from them for every Pre they put up...Nice one on there right now but I'm afraid to buy sight unseen...I hope I can tell something more by driving one...but I'd really like to pay a bus mechanic to go over one first...if I can find someone...that was another reason for coming here to POG...
Woman alone walks on a lot and a red flag goes up...stat...been there..too many times and learned the hard way to be really cautious...and more so this time...knowing so little about diesels...I know they're a dream to drive but living hell if I have to sit still broke down...lol...
Thank you every one...Already I'm glad I came here...
Hugs Always Viv...
Viv,
Let's say you want the best Prevost you can get for $100,000. There are probably a dozen out there in that price range at any given time.
Some will have asking prices much higher, but the reality is that asking prices are not always realistic. What is real however is the fact that the market is always changing, and if you miss one today, another will become available tomorrow.
I think it is critical for you to get as much knowledge and experience looking at these coaches as you possibly can. That vintage coach is going to have 15 or 20 years of use, and some will look great and be mechanical disasters, and some will be ugly, but will have been well maintained. Any coach in that vintage is going to need something. The key is to find one that has the floorplan and systems you want, and that has almost everything working.
That bus you want is out there, and as you gain experience looking, when you see that bus you want you will know it right away.
Viv,
If you find the Bus you really want, think about having Nick with Omnitech meet you at the Bus and do an inspection for you. He will travel to any part of the country and is one of our Sponsor's. We all met him at POG3 and think he has a very valuable service to offer.
Here's his e-mail address:omnitech_nick1@yahoo.com
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Jeff and Bert, I was kind of scared I was the only woman here and that was an intimidating thought...Whew..!!! Thanks so much for the encouragement..
Hugs Always Viv]
Hey Viv, do not feel alone, there are many women on the POG chat list. Most of them don't post but several of them do read. Whenever you see a post with our signature it is always me, aka Debi (one of the guys), doing the posting because my husband is likely at the other computer looking at buses for sale and he doesn't type:D I just saw Fast Roger's head turn to see if Micki is reading this, she may need to find her checkbook sooner then he thought:eek:
Just remember, you are never alone now that you have joined POG though there may be appropriate times to use the delete key--ha~! Best of luck with your search. That special coach is out there just waiting for you to find it!
Viv
We are in Chicago but we spend as much time as we can in the winter in Fla.
Camping it or driving it or working on it, its all the same to me so, if need be, when the time comes, don't be shy.
I have wondered if a camping clinic would be somethig fun and desirable. A rally of sourts where those of us that are mechanicly minded can help those who are not. Like taking mechanics corner to the next level.
All the campgrounds we have ever been to do not allow people to make mechanical repairs for a bunch of obvious reasons.
I have been kicking around the idea of opening a campground in Tenn. and have a portion of the grounds set aside for allowing folks to come and either make, or have repairs made. Put up a pole barn supply the bigger nessesary tools folks can't carry, and support with a parts source, and mechanical expertice of whatever degree that is needed.
Viv
We too were at The Great Outdoors in Titusville in Jan. We stopped for a few days to visit Bill and Jody, other POGrs who own a spot there. We probably walked right by eachother.:(
Joe, Jon, Tom, more...
I am sooooo glad I came to POG...!!!!
These replies to my last post that I've just finished reading brought tears to my eyes...
The fear of buying is lessening...I want to own a Pre so bad I can taste it..and if I don't do it soon I may never have the chance...I was about 14 yrs. old sitting on the front porch with my Mentor...My Grandpa Dilly...When a bus broke down across the road from our house in Succasunna NJ.. When they came and got it running again a little later I think I heard the sound of air brakes..didn't even know what they were...but when that bus started I got excited...and told my Grandpa...I wanted to drive one of them..His reply was..."Now you just get that outa your head...Girls don't drive busses"
I bet he turned over in his grave many times since...lol...Girls didn't play Chess either but I do...
Now at my age I have a lot of friends against my buying a Pre...but they also agree that I've never said I was going to do something and didn't do it...
but to do this I will have to put my house up for the money...but I can't take the house or the bus with me when I leave this world, now can I ...and that's the way I'm thinking now...
I guess everything I've ever done was a challenge...and I spread myself so thin...loving so many different things in life...that I only excelled in one thing...driving...well when you get paid for it you've excelled to a point, right..?? And I loved it the best...I've been tired from too many hours driving many times but I never tired of driving itself...
Bless everyone of you for your genuine concern...and believe me I'll follow thru' with all of your suggestions and advice...
Many Many Thanks...and please let me know when the next get together will be...I would love to meet some of you...
I hesitated at first because I'm not rich at all...just more comfortable now then I've ever been in my entire life...and I'm so grateful to you all I'm going to give you my Home Pages..Nothing ever came easy to me..but I've had a very very full life...
Hugs Always Viv .. aka JourneyOne
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"I get up. I walk. I fall down. Meanwhile, I keep driving."
My Home Page
http://www.geocities.com/Vivians_Journey/
My Life in Pictures & Captions
http://community.webshots.com/user/journey144
Scroll down to...'Beyond the call of duty' ...for this little story about me in Road & Travel Magazine....
http://www.roadandtravel.com/adventu...ngforwomen.htm
Enjoy
Viv,
LOVED your webshots, wow what a wonderful life! Of course I had to check out the horse photo album first which I am sure surprises no one on this list who knows me:D I raise Morgan horses and Bob raises Prevosts:rolleyes:
I think you should mark your calendar for the next POG rally to be held in October in Branson, MO. You don't have to have a Prevost to "come on down" but I hope you do since it is your dream to own one. Debi
Viv
At the bottom of the first page of my life in pictures you have the renovation of a 200yr old farmhouse and there is a picture of a prevo that you describe as the classiest liberty you ever saw.
I'm not 100% sure but that sure looks like Jeff and Helens new bus.
Hey Deb, If Bob is cleaning stalls and feeding at 7:00 AM, who is raising Morgans:confused: :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by rmboies
[]Hey Deb, If Bob is cleaning stalls and feeding at 7:00 AM, who is raising Morgans:confused: :eek]
Jim, you can go to your room any time now;) I am very lucky that Bob helps out and it is his choice no matter what he tells you :D That's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
Looks like we have another new member from Illinois. Thats great!
Welcome henryhighwood. Now we are 3:)
Still friends Deb, Hah:confused: Hah;)Quote:
Originally Posted by rmboies
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Originally Posted by Joe Cannarozzi
The bus I'm referring to was put up on E-Bay and I also saw it advertised elsewhere too...can't remember who sent the url to me the first time but I saw it in one other place besides E-Bay...where it never got bid to the reserve....but it was out of my price range...from the starting bid...over 200K was the asking price elsewhere that I saw it ...E-Bay never showed a buy it now price that I can remember...
Here is the URL for the entire coach...if it's still available on the Net...I saved each picture on my hard drive...from these pictures...and this coach was located in Oregon...Maybe it is the one Jeff and Helen bought...
Hugs Always Viv...
http:/rvup.com/prevo/index.htm /www.
Looks like the ad was taken down but I still have it all saved on My Documents...and also a short cut on my desk top to it that still works for me...what can I tell ya...if it was sold it probably was taken down ...
Hugs Always Viv...
The ad is still online at: http://rvup.com/prevo/index.htm
Although the bus is not listed on the front page of rvup.com, so maybe it is not available. When I was looking for my coach I did fly up to Eugene OR and looked at two coaches represented by Michael Boland. One I really liked, but Kathy didn't. Imagine a paint job that is an Oregon sunset (11 different colors, no hard lines anywhere), but it was primarily pink. By John Stahr. Stunning, but ....
Anyway, Michael seems to be an alright guy, but I wonder about someone who posts an appraisal, signed by himself, and who is also the salesman. Seems like a conflict to me.
I never did see a price on this bus. One concern is that I'm told the 40ft H3's were not very popular, and although they can be gotten for a good price, the resale isn't good.
Ray
I just fell in love...I saw this cockpit and thought I'd died and went to heaven ...but I can't swing the price they're asking for this 92 Liberty Lady Coach..!!! 179K...
The only thing I really didn't like about it are the two dinette chairs...they look like they wouldn't hold up a 100 lb. gal..and even tho' I only weigh 139..I like a cushion under my butt...lol...but heck they could be changed sooo easy...I can't believe this coach...!!!! yet so far out of my reach by about 50K ...
Please look at it for me and tell me your opinions...I send a message to Phil's list asking to talk to the owner...no reply from him yet but I only sent it last night...
Hugs Viv...
On Phil Coopers List ...
http://www.philcooper.com/details.php?v_id=347
Viv,
You are unlikely to find an H3 in the price range you want unless it has been run hard and put away wet, or unless it was a cheap conversion.
The cockpit in that H3 is typical of all Liberty coaches up until the new dash style of around 2000, regardless of whether it is an H3 or an XL.
The H3 is advantageous if you intend to full time because the storage in the bays is substantial. The drawback from my wife's perspective is the climb up those stairs into the living area. Not such a big deal when getting in and out, but when we are loading the coach they are tough to negotiate.
Viv, very nice bus. I personally like the chairs, very eclectic and I am sure you could find a georgeous fabric to make a "tie on pillow cusion" for the chairs to match the inside fabrics. I am sure they will handle any weight you want to throw at them, cept maybe JDUB ?Quote:
Originally Posted by journeyone144
Sorry Jer, just had to keep your name Out here, since your on vacation.
Viv, maybe the owner will have a soft spot for a woman driver/owner such as yourself, and will accept your offer? Lets hope :)
Gary S
Thanks for the welcome.
I have lusted after a coach for years and am now getting to the point in my life where it looks like I can make it happen.
I have signed on and have been reading to learn as much as I can before I actually start kicking tires.
Ted
Ted its great to have another member from Illinois. If there is anything we can do to help we would love to try. Where in Illinois are you, the camper could use a little exersize, it has been sitting since early Feb., mabye we could run it your way one weekend and get togeather?
Princeton, Exit 56 on I-80.
Where are you in Chicago?
Yes Ted but right off I-80 at the 161, your about 100 miles out.
Is there somewhere good for dinner close to the exit where we can pull in and park. That is a good stretch for the old girl. I am learning, all too quickly, the damage and or deterioration from insufficiant use.
Unfortunatly when you live in Chicago its flat for the first few hours no matter witch way you go, that direction is as good as any.
If you don't have plans and would like to meet over dinner tomorrow afternoon/eve. call me 708-243 7871. We can roll around noon right after church.
Henry:
You are one smart cookie to find out more about Prevost ownership and all that stuff before you buy one. Welcome to POG.
Ah, you noted that you wanted to kick some tires first. Around this site, be a bit careful. Some of the tires are filled with hot air and some with moo-goo-gai-pan.
You'll figure it out soon enough.
Have fun!
Joe,
That sounds good, but the next few weeks are rather hectic for us with visiting grandaughters and a wedding to attend.
We will keep the offer in mind as I would definitely like to get some first hand pointers.
JPJ,
Thanks for the heads up, I suspect that is true of most groups.
JPJ; moo-goo-gai-pan must be Asian for NITROGEN ?
Gary S
Welcome Ted and Lynne! This is a great group of people and I hope you find your dream bus very soon. Some of us are presently members of a sub-group to POG called "The 2 Bus Club", or possibly "Club of fools" according to Bob :D Maybe with your tire kicking, one of us could drop out of that club--ha~! Best of luck in your search!
Welcome. Does this mean we are going to have another aviator that owns a bus?
Is that a Bo in the picture?