Guns for protection

Jon,

your absolutely right... turn the Key and step on the Juice .. that would hopefully avoid a conflict..Take out the Infrastructure and whatever else might be in the way...

I would not want to have to shoot anyone either really, but then again I am not a objector either, if it is me or them ... Then Im sorry for your Luck as the Chinese say !

reverts back to the Military training thing I suppose... as that's the way what my uncle Sam taught me back then... modern warfare has now become Urban warfare and most all of it is not on a battle field anymore ... what most folks dont even realize is that more murders happened in this country killing lots of innocent folks more so than during the Iraq war to date of our Vet's and we see those numbers daily, multiply that by 3 or 4 times and that's whats happening on the home front.


What all you got in that Bus ? 46,000 Lbs is a lot of Stuff onboard Im thinking ? You must have one of Those Over Weight Challenged Elegant Ladies .... ha ha ha ha ha .. Just Kidding with you...

I am going to hit the scales with the machine before long as I have not done that yet since purchasing a few weeks ago now and I suspected she only weighed in about 28K or so.. have you ever used the "CAT" scales at the Truck stops ? I am told they are calibrated and do a good job ?

now as far as Climbing through Windshields, It's like smoking if you ask me and I have been trying to quit for sometime now...climbing through Windshields that is... that safety glass is pretty stuff to get through and the side windows ..well that's another story, these short legs are doing well to make the Entry Steps ...

I am thinking that the Bufford Pusser approach works good also, Walk soft but carry a Big Stick ! ;)

We have 46,000 pounds of escape mechanism. If someone is threatening me I will turn the key and drive away. I don't care if I have to push a car out of my path or rip out the sewer, water and electric lines. I will first drive away before I consider shooting someone.

That's one advantage of not having slides!:D

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We have 46,000 pounds of escape mechanism. If someone is threatening me I will turn the key and drive away. I don't care if I have to push a car out of my path or rip out the sewer, water and electric lines. I will first drive away before I consider shooting someone.

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Excellent point, Jon! This happens to be my primary choice of defense response as well! And if the perp just happens to be a slow mover when I start rolling - oh well, sucks to be him! :rolleyes:

I can't tell if on the few instances we have driven away if we were in physical danger or not, but there have been times when we felt uncomfortable with the people around us or the situation and we just started up and drove away.

Remember I prefer preventive maintenance and I apply the same thinking to my safety. I would far more prefer to move away when there was no need than to wait for something to reach a point when I have to start thinking about the use of a weapon. And my first weapon of choice is the bus.

FLY-N-LOW.......your bus weighs about 41,000 pounds and is 40 feet long. Mine is 45 feet long. Can you guess my bus weight? When you visit the CAT scale get a weight for each axle. You need that information so you can use the proper inflation pressures for the tires. 28,000 might be the weight of the empty shell. You will have close to that on the drive and tag axles.

I don't know if I got this link from POG a few months ago or if it came to my inbox from elsewhere but this is a must see whether you have a gun or not. Amazing no matter who you are. Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c

I stopped by a local gun store today to leave a couple of items on consignment - he has several 3" Taurus Judges in stock - these were chambered for 2 1/2". He says the 3" chamber is the one that's hard to find.... anyway the web site is: www.expertoutfitters.com phone is 330-965-9620

Hi Jon,

I agree with you on the Drive off from the scene approach, but inline with my previous comment about the Situation and situational awareness is the key to all of it I suppose.. can you get out of the situation by starting up the bus and do you have the time required to get it in gear and get gone...??

if you can thats great, if not .. Oh well

Thats the Fifty Dollar Question that hopefully none of us really want to know the answer to... and I hope it does'nt happen to anyone, but being Legally armed is the Best Advantage when weighing out the options.

Preventive maintenance is a beautiful thing in certain cases. as the old saying goes an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

I like the old Boy Scout moto also always be Prepared ! Expect the worst and hope for the best .. Dry Matches and Clean Socks .. ya-Hoo has taken me pretty far in life now.

In regards to bus weight if my bus being 40 feet long is basically a 1000 lb per foot then I would guess your bus to be between 45-46 k .. i think you had mentioned in your previous line it was 46K though...

Ok on the CAT scales, I will have each axle read for the weight so that I can ensure I am with the proper tire inflation pressures...

the previous owner stated that he had been running 100 P.S.I. in all the tires and it has all Brand new Rubber ( Firestones ) on the Drive and Tag Axles as well the Steers are at 95% Michelin's ...

Is there a Chart for Recommended Tire Inflation pressures to Weight Ratios on the POG here ? I will appreciate your additional comments.

Have you ever run Dry Air Nitrogen in your tires ?

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Is there a Chart for Recommended Tire Inflation pressures to Weight Ratios on the POG here

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Tom, this page has several links to tires, tire products, and proper inflation charts.

http://www.michelinrvtires.com/miche...e-material.jsp

Ray

Hi Ray,

Outstanding piece of Information and from the Best in the Business none the less. Hard to beat them Michelin's ..

Thank you very much for sharing this with me.. I have always been very particular about my tires on all the machines I have , after all that is what gets us there and without them you don't get far.

I have printed this document off and read it from start to finish now and it is worth its weight in gold, I will keep the Printed copy now in my Bus Bible as I call it for future references.

I look forward to getting the bus weighed soon and see how the numbers fair out and how the actual tire pressure to weight ratio works out.

Everyone should have a copy of this information handy.

Thanks Again Ray much appreciated ! ;)

FLY-IN-LOW..........95% rubber is meaningless on coaches.

You are unlikely to wear the tread off tires. The key is the date of installation plus the date of manufacture.

No manufacturer will honor any warranty after six years from installation or 10 years from the manufature date. The sidewall checking or cracking defines when the tire is beyond safe use. There is a ton of information on the internet about tire life. There is also pages of information from this site which you can find with a search.

Michelin may be expensive, but unless you know something we don't know I doubt if I would claim them to be the best. Joe, our Chicago representative on washing with gasoline has worn out more tires than most of us and I expect he will voice an opinion on tires.

Hi Jon,

I suppose your correct for most the members coaches, this coach was not purchased to become a Hangar Queen are placed on a parking spot at an RV park for an extended period of time, this coach along with my 1970 Eagle model 10 are used in the line of business, I travel as a Commercial Aircraft Maint & Engineering Representative all over north America and and the Globe weekly and have a Crew that works for me doing various work at various locations.

So I do expect to see wear on my tires and a few other items and will consider it routine for my nature of the usage of the machine.

I have had the opportunity to visit most the major tire Mfg's here in North America inline with the Aircraft Tires and was able to see various Tire engineering details along with the mfg process of the tires and the Quality Control of such production and these plants also mfg other tires as well and I was able to catch a glimpse of that also, and I like what I seen at the Michelin facility..but its a matter of opinion and what works best for one I suppose based on what most folks have access to and the like. I can tell you that most large commercial aircraft operators utilize Michelin tires on the aircraft and they are far more expensive than a bus tires, not sure if your aware of what happens when an Aircraft tire is filled with Compressed air and know the science on that matter but they explode due to the methane gas that is generated due to the heat expansion, and when they are retracted into a wheel well after rotation the heat continues to build until they explode and create additional damages to the airframe of an aircraft, thus the reason no regular compressed air is allowed for use in these tires, the aircraft tires are filled with Dry air nitrogen via a low pressure regulator to the recommended Mfg Tire pressure, even if one landing gear is heavier or lighter than the other. Dry Air Nitrogen does not vary with changes in Temperature
and remains stable and has very minimal to no moisture in it, so I like to service all my vehicle tires with Dry Air Nitrogen here at the Shop Facility cause unlike the normal checking and rechecking and servicing of tire pressures during seasonal changes with the varying temperatures outside it pretty much eliminates this and keeps the tire at a consistent pressure which is a Key to long life of the tire as well.. you will be very surprised at how often you don't have to add air to your tires after servicing them with Nitrogen and it is completely safe thus the reason the commercial airliners use it .. I did'nt say it was cheap, when were talking rigs of this class if I have to worry about tires and what I fill the tires with I damn sure don't need to be operating or trying to maintain it, I did'nt buy it to slip buy with low dollar items to keep it maintained and in reliable status so when I have a call to make I am on side of the road somewhere, I have to have and need the Proven Reliability components and that's my situation and it does not apply to many others I am sure.they can use whatever fits there budget and the likes ...

Year Date code of Manufacturing is the number one Key in the tire as with many other life limited items rubber is one of them and a later production is always going to provide a newer used material or compound and will leave for a longer shelf life or installation interval, stands to reason. with regards to Warranties and Road Hazards I suppose they all vary with the Mfg and their particular warranty stipulations which can be another whole can of worms and science itself at times on how a discrepancy was originated.

Enough time out west will give you valuable lessons on Dry Rot of Rubber and heat damage to tires.. side wall cracking comes in a few various forms from age, heat and fatigue due to various parameters. most of the common ones would be Under inflation or over inflation and age, on most RV rigs from what I have seen with regards to side wall cracking... I suppose that any applications of Petroleum by products that some use on their tires to clean them up also contributes to the equation as well according to the OEM ...
Sidewall Cracking due to Fatigue or Rot has allowable limits per the OEM but when i see sidewall Cracking beginning even with allowable limits it only means that it is a matter of time before you have a failure, so you might as well bite the bullet and have it changed good tread on it or not, it is fixing to come apart very soon, so avoid the additional damages to your rig and replace it.


I don't know Chicago Joe or anything about washing tires with Gasoline but maybe that works best for him, but like you say I suppose he would go through a few tires with this approach ... I just stick with the Old time proven solution and OEM recommendations Soap and water myself and a mild bristle brush to remove debris and road grime.

If this don't do it and since this blog is on the subject matter of Weapons... I take out my AK-47 and blow the hell out of the damn thing and go get a new one. ;)

LET THE FIGHT BEGIN


Nobody can sell any ammunition after June 30, 2009
It has already started....Ammunition Accountability Legislation

Remember how Obama said that he wasn't going to take your guns? Well, it seems that his allies in the anti-gun world have no problem with taking your ammo! The bill that is being pushed in 18 states (including Illinois and Indiana ) requires all ammunition to be encoded by the manufacturer, a data base of all ammunition sales. So, they will know how much you buy and what caliber. Nobody can sell any ammunition after June 30, 2009 unless the ammunition is coded. Any privately held uncoded ammunition must be destroyed by July 1, 2011. (Including hand loaded ammo.) They will also charge a ....05 cent tax on every round so every box of ammo you buy will go up at least $2.50 or more! If they can deprive you of ammo they do not need to take your gun! This legislation is currently pending in 18 states: Alabama , Arizona , California , Connecticut , Hawaii , Illinois , Indiana , Kentucky , Maryland , Mississippi , Missouri , New Jersey , New York , Pennsylvania , Rhode Island , South Carolina , Tennessee , and Washington.

To find more about the anti-gun group that is sponsoring this legislation and the specific legislation for each state, go to:
http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm

If they incode the ammo wouldn't that help law enforcement actually catch bad guys and take the wind out of the sails of those who want to take away ALL guns:confused:

The added cost is bad for sure, what am I missing?

Joe,

Your missing the fact they are slowly attempting to take away your 2nd Amendment rights. Ballistics can already tie the bullet to the gun. Think about it, the scum bag steals or buys a black market gun, then steals your ammo. He ends up shooting someone and the new coded bullet comes back to you! Have fun with that scenario!:mad:

You are a regular comedian Tom.

Are you suggesting that I do not comprehend what it would be like to be charged and convicted of something I did not do?

If someone steals ammo and shoots it through another gun wouldn't ballistics verify that?

I understand very well how our liberty gets incrementally eroded without notice by many small continual changes.

If you commit a crime with a gun weather it is fired or not weather someone is hurt or not should carry a very long prison term without parol. That is what I would do.

I asked the question because I truly am confused.

IMO coding amo may be a good thing but the fact that it was slid in under the radar makes me wonder

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Joe,

Your missing the fact they are slowly attempting to take away your 2nd Amendment rights. Ballistics can already tie the bullet to the gun. Think about it, the scum bag steals or buys a black market gun, then steals your ammo. He ends up shooting someone and the new coded bullet comes back to you! Have fun with that scenario!:mad:

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Right on...then out comes a new amended bill and fairly soon...2nd Amendment..GONE! Tomorrow we get a new "sin" tax for tobacco, beer, wine and whiskey are surely next! Personally, I am going to go out and buy a new Ford.................:D

So in order to enforce this new law requiring ammunition to be coded can we expect another army of mental giants like the Homeland Security and TSA weenies going through our homes checking for illegal ammo?

This is getting political and I know that is a no-no, but as long as we sit and bitch, but don't do anything we can expect this kind of idiocy.

Hi Folks,


This has been in the works for some time already it is not new, it all started quite a some years ago and was found unconstitutional and shot down.

Now they try and start this same crap again, a few guys in Seattle, Wa a few years ago got wind of two cops on scene that had a shoot out with a suspect fatally injuring the man, when the internal affairs investigated the shooting because both cops had emptied out their service revolvers towards the suspect they were not certain as to which officer actually fired the fatal shot... now with this in the media a few guys got a hold of this and first suggested that the local police force provide the officers with "COLOR-CODED" ammo so that anytime a similar incident like this happened in the future that could tell who fired the shot that took out the suspect.. stands to reason to some degree, now the Brain Stormers took it a step further and suggested that hey we can become overnight millionaires with such an idea.

They decided to patient AMMO CODING with a laser technique on the back of the bullets and got this in production after doing almost all their homework they approached the AMMO Mfg's and asked for their assistance .. all the AMMO Mfg's told them to go piss up a rope and get lost basically as this was a huge invasion to the Second Amendment Rights of Legal Gun Owners in this Country...

So the two would be almost Millionaires left the AMMO Mfg's with the asses tucked between their legs and tried to recalculate how they could make their idea come to life... after a few more months at the drawing board they found that by getting a few senators and congressmen in their hip pockets and pushing this via the legislative process they were sure to have their idea put into action and production soonest.... out of the 18 states that have entertained this idea all have already declined it and it has been shot down and found Unconstitutional due to the Second Right infringements ...

Its a great idea but it was tried once before in this country and shot down.

Like Tom has commented we the legal owners abide by the laws and when a Criminal wishes to break in and steal your AMMO and uses it in a Crime this then places you at the scene basically and they also do not want to have to face these issues in the future either... if it were not for that and the additional cost imposed it would be one hell of an idea...

If you wish to follow up on this check with the NRA and do a Google on AMMO Coding and follow the various Links ... you can learn a lot on the Web here on that subject matter....

It is not law and Mr. Obama is well aware of the Second Amendment Right and the status of it.. Brass and all metals have been expensive lately, all AMMO has been expensive for the past year ... this is mostly contributed to the Fuel Surcharges we had there for awhile, the cost of all metals, and the war in Iraq... if you wish talk to the folks at "BLACK HILLS AMMO" in Rapid City, S.D. and they will verify all of what I have stated.. they specialize in .223 & 5.56 rounds of all types New & Reman and the demand on that factory is so high for filling the Military allocations they cant keep up with filling the civilian market ammo here at home...

Want to be Pro-Active with Keeping your Weapons as a Legal Citizen join the N.R.A. and be pro-active ... write you senators and congressmen as I do and let them know how you feel and what you think..dont ever set back and wait on someone else to do it.. the stronger the force the louder the message becomes....

;)

Right, Tommy. They will listen just like they have listened to the aviation community's pleas regarding Homeland Security and TSA.

Forgive me if I think writing to an elected weenie gets us anything more than a Xeroxed copy of a form letter and kills a few more trees.

Well said.

There was a gun show in nearby Fort Pierce, FL last weekend. First time for this show at this location and there were a couple of hundred people standing in line to get in when it opened.

And inside, the largest crowds were at the ammo booths. Most were buying by the case.

Our local gun shops can only manage to keep a few boxes, if any at all, of the most popular ammunition on the shelves.

One of the very real dangers is being found to be in possession of newly declared "illegal" ammunition of which the owner may be completely unaware.

Many years ago in New Jersey (one of the most highly restrictive states in the country) the governor declared, with legislative backing, that certain "assault weapons" were banned.

At he time I owned a Colt AR-15, which had been legally purchased at my local gun shop in NJ. Never used in a crime.

Yet one day I'm the legal owner and the next I'm a criminal. No "grandfathering". No compensation. No appeal.

The answer was sell it out of state (of course, you're taking a chance transporting it) or destroy it, or simply turn it in to your local NJ State Police. :mad:

That was only one good reason to leave the Garden State.

So believe me, it can happen.

Jon,

Yeah your right to some degree... numbers are hard to defeat ask the Chinese.

I didnt say that I was waiting on a form from some elected Weenie in Senate or Congress, I said I voiced my opinion on the matter and was not looking for a reply ... I stated Facts of the matter and they were told what was what, not what I thought they may or may not do for me...

If you follow up on the Gun Laws you will now see that the Supreme Court just recently ruled that a Legal Gun Owner can again bring his gun to his place of employment and leave it locked in his vehicle while he is in the work place without any legal ramifications, this had been banned for quite a few years and had been in a long review by the courts and the Supreme Court ruled it is Unconstitutional to prohibit and individual from having the legal weapon in their own private vehicle at work or any other location as long as it is locked up in that vehicle. I also wrote the senators and congress and told them of this matter along with a lot of other folks and voiced my opinion how it affects the Second Amendment Right... and now we have won that battle ...

If we all stick to this then we can prevail, if we sit on our hands they will strip us of them eventually.. However I want go down without a fight myself.

Dont get me started on TSA and that bunch of B.S. I deal with those idiots on a weekly basis.. again like coding of AMMO might have been a good idea to start with but is doesnt work as affective as they may think. and then again I could share some things with you in person that would curl not only your hair but probably your toe nails ...

The Fear of the unknown has the AMMO Mfgs and Weapons folks in High Cotton right about now and they are making a killing on just about everyone.

I seen this coming before G.W. left office and did what I had to do before the lines of folks and prices have got where they are... and no thanks to that administration nor the one coming through the door to replace him has it created all of this... at least we know the Fellow Americans are keeping with their Second Amendment Right and you can ask the NRA how many new folks they have had join just at the first of this year already and they will tell you that the numbers are overwhelming ...


Additionally understand that there are more Gun owners in this Country than Pilots or Aircraft Owners ... thus the masses sticking together will prevail.

Didnt say I liked it because I love Aviation also and they have been regulating Aviation so hard for the past 15 years it has gotten to the point it is no longer as fun as it use to be... but leave it to the Government to fix a problem ... this is usually the whole problem, it is a select group that make the laws and put them into place without taking others input on matters prior to putting the laws in place. it follows suit with the rest of the things that are there for the viewing at present they have been involved in as well.

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You are a regular comedian Tom.

Are you suggesting that I do not comprehend what it would be like to be charged and convicted of something I did not do?

If someone steals ammo and shoots it through another gun wouldn't ballistics verify that?

I understand very well how our liberty gets incrementally eroded without notice by many small continual changes.

If you commit a crime with a gun weather it is fired or not weather someone is hurt or not should carry a very long prison term without parol. That is what I would do.

I asked the question because I truly am confused.

IMO coding amo may be a good thing but the fact that it was slid in under the radar makes me wonder

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You're right Joe, ballistics would/should show what gun fired the bullet, as I understand the bill(s) the shell casing is being encoded and this ID number will be reported to a national database. Not all bullets are recovered at a crime scene but the shell casings are usually littering the ground.

Don't care to confirm or deny my practice, but just the site of a long barrel 357 is enough to get a lot of folks attention.

And the thumb cock/revolver spin, it's a lovely sound.

I beleive that God looks out for all those in need, but doesn't mind the help of those who will look out for themselves.

I read some of the legislation on the link provided, and all are not yet effective, but they are mostly talking about hand gun and assault weapon ammunition, and adding five cents to the purchase price of each round. The exception I noticed was Missouri, they want one half cent added to the cost of a round.
I bet there will be a lot of purchasing of ammunition in Missouri!
None that I have read address selling across state borders, so I guess it will be OK.
One state, states rounds must not be mixed in various containers, meaning the box with the serial number must contain that serialized round:eek:, what about the ammo belt?
The addition of five cents a round will make 22 plinking expensive.
None talk of how they will address (define) hand gun ammunition. What if you are buying for a rifle?
So far I have seen no mention of shotgun ammunition, but once they get the taste of the TAX MONEY I am sure it will be applied to all ammunition, whether serialized or not.
I have not read all states pending legislation, and don't think I will.
A couple have died in session, and (petered out) Sine Die.....means, without fixing a day for future action.

Where do the strange people with strange ideas come from anyway.


I just found out Australia has an estimated population of wild camels of around one million.


:cool: JIM :D

Joe,

Lighten up, your the one that asked if you were missing something and there was no joking in my comment. If you think registering your ammo is a good thing, we will never be on that same page.

San Francisco has one of the toughest gun control ordinances in the country, but hey, why worry! Have a look at the below picture...
Chief Heather Fong (left), the first SFPD female chief of police;
Theresa Sparks (center, former male), president of the San Francisco Police Commission, CEO of a multimillion-dollar sex toy retailer, and a Trans gender woman. Sgt. Stephan Thorne (right, former female), the first Trans gender SFPD police officer..

Their Representative in Congress is Nancy Pelosi. Say no more.

That is JUST PLAIN SCARY !!:eek:!!

Jim,

This is what I had also understood from what I had read, is that they were initially only looking to code the ammo of Handguns and Assault weapons due to their use in the majority of weapon crimes. ( Gang Bangers and Punks mostly ) I cant ever seem to read where this has happened from the Legal Gun Owners though... damn at the luck if they could only figure out a way to track those Criminals they would have it whipped and we wouldnt be having this conversation..Right ?

I guess they either forget to print that part or send it out on the Communist News Network Channel. ( Sorry but I have no use for Ted Turner or his Communist girl Friend Jane Fonda )

Next they will have us registering our Butcher knives and Tire Tools and anything else that has ever been used in a violent crime, and I am certain that if it has a damn dollar attached to it it will be something they shall entertain. ( Seems to me we already had one major war "Civil War" in this country over Taxes once before and apparently we did not learn to much from it, I keep forgetting what the original intent was to break away from the British and become our own nation, did that not also have something to do with Taxes)

Its not about safety or their real concerns of the U.S. Citizens, its all about the Dollar and has been for a very long time already in this country!

Like a Speeding ticket, the smoke screen is not really about the safety lets be honest, its about revenue folks ... how many times did the cop or trooper ever call you and follow up after that ticket to see just how the Hell you were doing and care about your health or safety... ??

If we already have Forensics in Place by means of Ballistics then why should they impose Ammo Coding... basically the same difference except ammo coding is just a new measure to expedite the process and place a front on collecting of New Tax strategies ... the Good Ole Smoking Mirrors syndrome.
( Now you dont see it coming and next thing here you go )


Understand that had this Ammo coding thing have passed via legislation then
the guys who founded the ammo coding using the laser technique would have been rich over-night and have had the patient on such coding and this means that govt. would have made this possible for those individuals. this is not a new concept and was tried before and declined by the courts with reasons of infringement on the Second Amendment Right.. now they try from the same basic concept angle but with a different technique of the actual coding...

Mark my words they will regret the day this ever passes if it ever does pass.

Should this pass, when you purchase the ammo it would be registered to the one purchasing it and you would have to meet certain requirements of course to make such purchase..Ammo Accountability.. so you fire off all the rounds in your backyard or range ... next will they wish for us to account for where and when the ammo was discharged and maintain a log book of it ?

Joe's comment on having your ammo stolen from your possession has also been asked by many folks already in regards to this ammo coding subject matter and carries a lot of merit and is a very valid question... this has them really stumbled at the same time here because they know they are going to be faced with errors and huge law suites should something like that happen even though its your ultimate responsibility... and lets also not forget to mention here.. what if the Manufacturer makes a mistake and the coding process happens to run the same coding due to a computer controlled process failure on say maybe a few extra lots of ammo and it being with the same coding and is sold to a few different thousand people by mistake and it all shows registered to you or the other 1000 folks now who is responsible... I keep forgetting that Computers in this day and age and manufacturers dont make mistakes and the Quality Control would be through the roof right... something to do with ISO standards processes and the likes ... now put that in your pipe and smoke on that awhile ... if this B.S. all passes they have a lot of exposure and margin for error liabilities on their plates .. the real question is do they want the headaches for the Tax Dollar they might be able to profit from it and which will be the next Constitutional Right they will wish to go after... probably my Freedom of Speech like this one here.

I suppose this all goes hand in hand with the New Health Care plan now for all Americans.... its a good thing that it is a Priority like Guantanamo Bay I suppose ..but it does not appear either one have done much for the country yet and we are still faced with the Economic Crisis ... I suppose that it is somewhere on the priority list but apparently not at the top of it... Wouldnt you think they should be focused on what really needs to happen to get the place back up and running or have I missed something here ?

now its dawning on me.. its the change coming to Washington.. Tax Change from the Ammo Coding that will take care of the Entire problems Houston ..

Have you seen what they did with Alcohol and tobacco taxes in the past week or so now ?

I kind of find this somewhat interesting ... Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms
and you all thought I was just all over the place there for a minute... Imagine that..

And you all just thought this topic was of Great Concern, dont read anything about FEMA and their Prisons ( Concentration Camps ) they have built for all you non conforming Americans to be housed in some day.. Yep thats right dont believe me.. Google it for yourselves do your homework on FEMA in your spare time... I will leave it at that.

Jon, I can see you thought they were here to help just like the F.A.A.


Enjoy while you still have a Chance and the Right ! ;) Tomorrow always Brings a New Day so I am told ...

Just remember that a Government Big enough to provide you the rights you have is big enough to also take them away !

Now that you've all got your guns all shined up and loaded, here's a site that will help you make them legal, accessible, and safer than just laying around.

This is a large site and you may find some other goodies there, so have fun, look around.

Took me over a year to find these locks. Everyone I asked about them knew of them, but didn't know where to get them.

http://www.chiefsupply.com/Vehicle_E...un_Racks,Locks

These guys make the racks. http://www.tufloc.com/tufloc.html

JIM

Absolutely we carry. Better to be caught with one than without one. I have had to show it once. I was parked at a truck stop.

Hi Towson,

My pleasure to meet you !

I agree with you on better being caught with one than without one.

In my case I like redundancy so they may catch me with a couple of them.
( I like the old Chinese proverb, "Sorry for your Luck" )

Someone said that your either prepared or your a Victim somewhere along the way and in this day and age it seems to even hold more truth, sad to say...

There has been some comments on here that I both agree and disagree with... one being that one should just crank the bus and leave the scene.. this is one of those situations that pertains to lots of surrounding details and parameters I suppose, and if its an option that's probably the best thing to do, however if one does not have time to crank the bus and leave the scene then what ? Quicker to reach for the Equalizer if you ask me.

The reason I make the statement above is due to your comment about having to "SHOW" your piece to some would be's at a Truck Stop and I am certain that probably changed their minds right away... not that you would ever want to have to shoot anyone I am sure, but you dont want to be shot or knifed either I am certain..

Now in your particular situation why didnt you just Crank the Bus and drive that 40,000 pound lethal weapon all over them ? Let me guess it was not an option for you and the situation did not allow for it, it was easier and quicker to show your weapon correct ? mostly due to timing... unless your engine was running and the Brake Pressure was high enough to move the coach and you had nothing to move out of your way like an 85,000 pound Tractor Trailer Rig ... what else would you do ?

It seems I had made the same comment on this form a few weeks ago with having the weapon onboard my coach for protection and was told it was not a good idea to have it on the coach basically by certain members and that I should just Crank the Bus and drive over whatever was in the way to avoid the confrontation...

Can you share with us in more detail as to your situation at the Truck Stop ?
do not need names, dates or places, just the incident and how it unfolded and why driving off was not an option for you, and was you glad that you were able to have had the weapon for protection onboard and what you might would do different in the future if faced with a similar situation ? I think this would be of benefit to some of the members here to know your situation.

I would love to hear about your situation and let others know why having a weapon onboard outweighs the cranking and driving off the scene option.
In your case it sounds like that was not an Option however.

I am a very strong believer in my Second Amendment Right for self protection, and the protection of my family in case you did not happen to
read into this enough far enough yet ...

Your a two hours drive over the boarder from here ... maybe we will have to hook up sometimes... if you would like to get away to the country, we have plenty of room out here to park your rig and enjoy some piece and quite... nothing but the Country Choir at night ( The Crickets & Frogs ) it's pretty soothing to the ear's and eyeballs here.


Thanks.

Cheers...

;)

Hi Jim,


Hope all is going your way !

I been meaning to tell you that's a good looking Dog you got there...
every time I see a Dalmation Dog it takes me back to when that boy of mine was little..he use to have a bit of trouble saying "Dalmation" for some reason the letter "L" would not come through... it was pretty funny and took a bit of work to get that all corrected !

Yeah I can imagine an overhead Rack like that in Either the Truck of the Bus
right up front by the Drivers area... can you imagine the looks and comments one would get with some overhead racks like that in a Bus ?

I had seen some similar racks to these at a local Law Enforcement supply store and the thought had crossed my mind, but figured I would stay on the conservative side and keep them out of site, out of site and out of mind is sometimes a good thang as Martha Stewart says... of course she was not out of site all that long now that I think about it.

Somebody up in your part of the country forgot to close the Freezer Door and we are again feeling the effects of it, see what you can do to close that door for us soon.

Cheers...;)

I sure hope you are not claiming I suggest moving the bus is an alternative to having a weapon on board. If so, correct your thinking.

I will move the bus as my first choice at the hint of a bad situation. I will not sit on my ass waiting for a situation to develop to the point I need a weapon. At the least bit of discomfort, and I move. Period.

But if that is not an option because of any number of reasons, I still have the option of employing a weapon. I can select from a variety of handguns or go right to the shotgun. Once a person has a weapon in their hand they need to understand the situation has gotten so bad that someone may be going to die. If anyone brandishing a weapon thinks otherwise they are wrong.

We've been around and when using the bus for business had to park in some less than desirable spots next to warehouses or in some ratty truckstops, but I have not yet had to put a weapon in my hand. I have driven away more than once. In fact, I have driven away a lot of times.

My dealer says that this is "just ratt" for personal defense of the bus. Cindy should be able to handle this just fine ("It'tle Bay a bareeze!"). Best of all, I'll never have to move the bus again. "If'n you dun wanna."

Jim: you think those racks have me covered? Or should I just sling it up in front of the upper windshield? I could leave the upper shades deployed and just press the buttton to uncover if I get the feeling that I need to make a statement.

I just don't know. maybe my guy is right. It's a big bus and I might want to consider something a little substantial.:D

Seriously, just be safe watever you decide works for you.

SawDuster !


That is a Sweeeeeet looking M.G. you got there...

I am thinking you should just remove the upper Spot Light and throw it away, stiffen up the upper attach mounts and replace with Stainless Steel Hardware, oh yeah you may need to replace the Azimuth and Elevation Motor and then Top Mount that Bad Boy !

A remote control from the Captains Big Chair and your all set !

I am thinking you would be the Man at the Truck Stop and all the Rallies, or pretty much where ever your travels take you, and we are parking next door to you as you would need and extra bus to haul all the Brass that thing would chew up in a few seconds from the length of the barrel we should be out of range being parked next to you ...

That would look sick on the Top of the Prevost going down the Highway or setting on the pad can you imagine, speaking of Top Rack Mounts and I am certain you would draw just a little attention with that Big mamma Jamma !

Do you get much Plinking action in with that piece on a weekly basis?

I bet just a few rounds for that thing would bout wipe out a weeks paycheck in short order ...


Have Fun and keep em Locked and Loaded.

Cheers...;)


Jon, who rattled your cage already.. not body was claiming you said anything wrong .. read all the previous threads real closely and read my last thread even closer in detail.. I said I agreed with the approach of Driving off versus having to shoot some dumb ass and was asking TOWSON why he felt he could not crank up his bus an do the same !

have a Coke and Smile and read my lines closely... in my original comments somebody made the comment when asked about having weapons onboard their coaches that they would rather just drive off, Great Idea if possible and the situation permits that was my reply and a true one right ?, but no mention of having weapons on ones coach was mentioned until now, and now the truth is on the table that you have three or four handguns and a shot gun, Great News and I am proud for you and hope you never have to use them.

All I was asking TOWSON for was how his situation unfolded and to share that with the discussion here since he had commented to such and that's what the overall topic is here ?

Never know we all may learn something from his situation ?

Cheers..

;)

I'm sure everyone has a story to tell, and some may rise to the level of needing self defense. The thing is, I've had situations even w/o my bus. I don't think I've ever considered carrying a weapon daily because of it.
So , its more about the bus and the attention, positive and negative, it may bring. And the places we travel in the bus.
I have heard several close call stories where it would make anyone feel better to have a shotgun or gun. Those stories never rose to the need to have or use a gun however.
I remember my uncle 'showing" his six shooter to some guys who were following him on the road. It seemed to have the desired result. But it could have had the exact opposite result as well.
In the final analysis, like Jon has said, if you pull a gun, be ready to use it.

Good points Gary. I've kept silent on this thread, but will add a few comments and then maybe it will be over. If you pull/show a gun, you had better be ready for the consequences, from an immediate gun battle with the bad guy (at which time you may piss yourself and your knees will buckle) and hopefully your still alive and that stray bullet hasn't found it's way to some innocent bystander. You own that round where ever it ends up. Or you wave it around and the bad guy leaves and the local law enforcement is going to show up, remember cell phones are everywhere, and your going to be busy talking them out of jail time for displaying the weapon (depending on state and/or local code).

It's serious business and not to taken lightly while pounding your chest and proclaiming I would do this or that. In law enforcement we're taught to shoot to stop the threat in order to prevent loss of life to yourself or others. Shoot someone because they're stealing your stuff and your going to jail with them.

I'm armed to the teeth, but common sense, training and experience will keep me out of trouble. Remember one thing, the bus is your home and anyone forcing entry to cause you harm justifies lethal action. If your being harassed, leave, call the police, lock your doors and use your head.

Be armed, but don't be a statistic!;)

Well said, Truk.

By the way, looks like I'll be getting some supplementary training at Front Sight in Nevada this summer :D