I have replaced both house and chassis batteries since owning our bus. First step for me was to take photos of everything then printing them 8X11. Then the drawings and labeling. Everything with good for me.
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I have replaced both house and chassis batteries since owning our bus. First step for me was to take photos of everything then printing them 8X11. Then the drawings and labeling. Everything with good for me.
Jon
I hope you'll be at PSL as I have all the problems you all have discussed but a bit different.
With 4 new chassis batteries I had one go dead "zero volts" and would not take a charge with a yellow wire hooked up to what the diagram said was the headlights.
Replaced the bad battery and all is well but now the 24V charger doesn't want to work.
My best solution is to crank up the DD and charge batteries, just in case, every few days.
I am (was) an electrical engineer but my lack of wiring diagrams or decent color coding stops me cold.
Anyone that will be at the PSL mini rally that could take a look?
Tad (Woody)
I'm posting this here instead of cluttering up the site with a new thread.
I have a check engine light coming on intermittently. It was just coming on for a few seconds at a time and then going off. I was thinking I could get to Phoenix Royal 200 miles away and they would have a reader but now I think I've I've decided I should not take any chances. The frequency has increased (a bad sign that I should not ignore) as I was driving around Detroit yesterday. I’m worried about driving 200 miles w/o trying to see what it is so I’m going to try flashing the codes (I don't have a reader) and see what I can come up with right now. I ordered the Silverleaf cable to work with a laptop. I have been meaning to get it for a while but I went ahead and ordered it Thursday specifically to capture this problem but I won't have it for several more days.
One of the problems is that I’m going to have to try and interpret the data for what Detroit terms an “Inactive code”.
Within this thread, part of the book is quoted as saying “An inactive code - a fault which has previously occurred; inactive codes are logged into the ECM. Inactive codes are flashed in numerical order, active codes are flashed in the order received, most recent to least recent.” So since the light is not staying on long enough in any instance for me to capture it as an “Active Code” in chronological order, I presume I’m going to have to look at all the “Inactive Code” activity and see which one has occurred multiple times. By now, maybe all the memory in the ECM for Inactive Codes has been bumped out and all the instances will be of my Inactive Code. It has flashed several dozen times but I don't know how many seconds it needs to stay on for the ECM to record anything. I’m starting the process of trying to decipher it now at 10:30am. I want to get out of Detroit and to Elkhart Indiana but not at the cost of hurting the engine. I’m posting this now to see if anyone has suggestions. I’ve only had to flash and get the codes once before and if you’re not practiced at it, it is a bit like trying to interpret Morse code. I'll try seeing if a Detroit dealer is open here and if so just drive over there since I'm the boonies. You'd think since I'm in Detroit I might find one eh ?
I found the PDF download for the DDEC. All 250 pages of it. But what I found is labeled (at least on some pages) as the manual for a DDEC IV. I have a DDEC II. I found the manual by just Goggling a phrase from the previous post in this same thread that quoted the book. It would be preferred to be looking at a manual for my DDEC II but maybe it's either not on line anymore or maybe it does not make a difference for what I'm after.
The IV manual came up on the search at this URL: http://www.ddcsn.com/cps/rde/xbcr/ddcsn/ch5_ddeciv.pdf
If I go to the root of that site or http://www.ddcsn.com I don't readily see a download for a DDEC II. Maybe if someone has a PDF of the DDEC II manual they could email it to me at jeff@skincarepro.com I have to sort through this thread or the 250 page manual again to find the correct steps to flashing this manually. I remember it's not so so complicated and I think I rock the Override switch but I have to look it up again since I only did it once before.
I found a Detroit service open until 3pm today just 5 miles from me. Instead of playing code breaker I'm driving over there. Good chance I'll need a part what ever it is anyway. Comments still welcomed but nobody need invest too much in the reply at this point unless it's for the greater good of us all. After only two instances of this I would say having a reader (either a Detroit reader or the Silverleaf) is a must have. I would be great to find a liquidation somehow on dozens of readers and get a good buy on them so POG'ers could have a chance to get a used one a decent buy. I think if you find one for $500 that's considered a good deal.
I'll update this later from Detroit service. By the way, I've already checked the obvious (fluid levels). But I had a post earlier on my battery balance light being on. I never got to the bottom of that. So hopefully Detroit can address that also. What ever that is it has not disabled me but it has gone unfixed. Maybe 2,000 miles later, the problem is getting worse and making the check engine light toggle on and off. After one blown engine I really should get the smelling salt and not ignore ANYTHING my engine is trying to tell me.
All finished at Detroit. Actually it was a place authorized to work on Detroit but not an actual Detroit dealer. They hooked up the laptop. I have either a faulty engine temperature sending unit or I have something in the wiring throwing off a false reading. They didn't have the sensor but I'm fine to get to Elkhart and get to a Detroit dealer there Monday if they have one.
The mechanic sold me this state of the art engine analyzer. He said it's just as good as the computer they use. I'll hot wire it to my 6 pin plug later and see what else I can figure out.
Jeff,
I also have DDEC II and have a reader, but I'm still unable to find the correct codes that match up with the reader and instruction booklet that came with it. I only have a few historic codes show up, but the code numbers don't match with the book. So, if you find a source for the codes, let me know.
The temp sensor for the series 60 was one the three sensors Jon suggested having in stock. I had all three but passed them on when I got the 8V. Here's the original post: http://forum.prevostownersgroup.com/...ghlight=sensor
Tom- Thanks for the reply. On another related thread (maybe earlier in this one) I could have sworn there was a link to the codes. Did you check this 250 page manual I put the link to ? http://www.ddcsn.com/cps/rde/xbcr/ddcsn/ch5_ddeciv.pdf Winchester would have it I'm pretty sure if you email him.
Here I found it earlier in this thread by Oreen Zook. Is this not it ?
(excerpt)
Maybe it's the throttle position sensor? or turbo issue? Any extra smoke from the exhaust? Even with my pure mechanical engine the codes were flashed on the shift panel when I had a major engine problem. Here's a link to the DDEC codes: http://library.motoralldata.com/tech...DEC_III%29.htm
Hey Truc ... you mention that you disposed of the "necy" relays with a Series 60 when you came back to the 8V....do you have a list for the 8V in mind?
Tom/Truck- If it's 8V codes your looking for I found these two sites and threads that are diesel forums (some mechanics it seems) when I was searching for DDeck readers. They're talking about the codes and subjects. You might try posting at these forums. Might not be bad guys to get intel from on other drive train issues. These guys might be able to tell fill in the gaps for your questions (or any of us) that we can't get answered here.
http://www.dieselenginetrader.com/di...64&STARTPAGE=1
http://www.truckingboards.com/bb/the...ink-vs-others/
Notice on the 2nd thread and the last post on that page I think the writer comments on getting boot leg software for a laptop that is what Detroit has. Not only a reader but let's you actually adjust things (Oh boy, just what I need to blow my engine up). I tried a few search terms to try and scare up some hacker or ex Detroit employee that might have it but if anyone else finds it first do tell.
If there any advantage to a DDEC reader over the Silverleaf product I have on the way ?
Jeff,
I'll check out the sites. My DD reader allows you to make adjustments, clear codes, etc. The Silverleaf is read only.
Roger,
Here's my post with the part numbers: http://forum.prevostownersgroup.com/...nsors-For-Sale
Here's a link to DDEC II codes. They match with my DDEC II troubleshooting manual (you can find them on ebay for about $50, worth every penny if you are tracking down a problem), with these exceptions:
Code 53 missing - EEPROM failure Affecting code logging
Code 47/48 - Mislabled - should be 47 Fuel Pressure Sensor Signal Voltage High and 48 Fuel Pressure Sensor Signal Voltage Low
http://library.motoralldata.com/tech...DDEC_II%29.htm
Truk - what kind of reader do you have?
Steve
Steve, you da man!:cool: I checked a minor historic code I've been saving and it matches your list. I have the 9000 Pro-Link and the manual does not show the codes in your post and refers to SAE codes starting at 072 and nothing matches.
I'll add this list to the Archives so we always have it on file.
Thanks much....
What card are you using in the Prolink? I have a manual for the DDEC II/III card that I could copy if you need it...
Seve