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Well said.
There was a gun show in nearby Fort Pierce, FL last weekend. First time for this show at this location and there were a couple of hundred people standing in line to get in when it opened.
And inside, the largest crowds were at the ammo booths. Most were buying by the case.
Our local gun shops can only manage to keep a few boxes, if any at all, of the most popular ammunition on the shelves.
One of the very real dangers is being found to be in possession of newly declared "illegal" ammunition of which the owner may be completely unaware.
Many years ago in New Jersey (one of the most highly restrictive states in the country) the governor declared, with legislative backing, that certain "assault weapons" were banned.
At he time I owned a Colt AR-15, which had been legally purchased at my local gun shop in NJ. Never used in a crime.
Yet one day I'm the legal owner and the next I'm a criminal. No "grandfathering". No compensation. No appeal.
The answer was sell it out of state (of course, you're taking a chance transporting it) or destroy it, or simply turn it in to your local NJ State Police. :mad:
That was only one good reason to leave the Garden State.
So believe me, it can happen.
Jon,
Yeah your right to some degree... numbers are hard to defeat ask the Chinese.
I didnt say that I was waiting on a form from some elected Weenie in Senate or Congress, I said I voiced my opinion on the matter and was not looking for a reply ... I stated Facts of the matter and they were told what was what, not what I thought they may or may not do for me...
If you follow up on the Gun Laws you will now see that the Supreme Court just recently ruled that a Legal Gun Owner can again bring his gun to his place of employment and leave it locked in his vehicle while he is in the work place without any legal ramifications, this had been banned for quite a few years and had been in a long review by the courts and the Supreme Court ruled it is Unconstitutional to prohibit and individual from having the legal weapon in their own private vehicle at work or any other location as long as it is locked up in that vehicle. I also wrote the senators and congress and told them of this matter along with a lot of other folks and voiced my opinion how it affects the Second Amendment Right... and now we have won that battle ...
If we all stick to this then we can prevail, if we sit on our hands they will strip us of them eventually.. However I want go down without a fight myself.
Dont get me started on TSA and that bunch of B.S. I deal with those idiots on a weekly basis.. again like coding of AMMO might have been a good idea to start with but is doesnt work as affective as they may think. and then again I could share some things with you in person that would curl not only your hair but probably your toe nails ...
The Fear of the unknown has the AMMO Mfgs and Weapons folks in High Cotton right about now and they are making a killing on just about everyone.
I seen this coming before G.W. left office and did what I had to do before the lines of folks and prices have got where they are... and no thanks to that administration nor the one coming through the door to replace him has it created all of this... at least we know the Fellow Americans are keeping with their Second Amendment Right and you can ask the NRA how many new folks they have had join just at the first of this year already and they will tell you that the numbers are overwhelming ...
Additionally understand that there are more Gun owners in this Country than Pilots or Aircraft Owners ... thus the masses sticking together will prevail.
Didnt say I liked it because I love Aviation also and they have been regulating Aviation so hard for the past 15 years it has gotten to the point it is no longer as fun as it use to be... but leave it to the Government to fix a problem ... this is usually the whole problem, it is a select group that make the laws and put them into place without taking others input on matters prior to putting the laws in place. it follows suit with the rest of the things that are there for the viewing at present they have been involved in as well.
You're right Joe, ballistics would/should show what gun fired the bullet, as I understand the bill(s) the shell casing is being encoded and this ID number will be reported to a national database. Not all bullets are recovered at a crime scene but the shell casings are usually littering the ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Cannarozzi
Don't care to confirm or deny my practice, but just the site of a long barrel 357 is enough to get a lot of folks attention.
And the thumb cock/revolver spin, it's a lovely sound.
I beleive that God looks out for all those in need, but doesn't mind the help of those who will look out for themselves.
I read some of the legislation on the link provided, and all are not yet effective, but they are mostly talking about hand gun and assault weapon ammunition, and adding five cents to the purchase price of each round. The exception I noticed was Missouri, they want one half cent added to the cost of a round.
I bet there will be a lot of purchasing of ammunition in Missouri!
None that I have read address selling across state borders, so I guess it will be OK.
One state, states rounds must not be mixed in various containers, meaning the box with the serial number must contain that serialized round:eek:, what about the ammo belt?
The addition of five cents a round will make 22 plinking expensive.
None talk of how they will address (define) hand gun ammunition. What if you are buying for a rifle?
So far I have seen no mention of shotgun ammunition, but once they get the taste of the TAX MONEY I am sure it will be applied to all ammunition, whether serialized or not.
I have not read all states pending legislation, and don't think I will.
A couple have died in session, and (petered out) Sine Die.....means, without fixing a day for future action.
Where do the strange people with strange ideas come from anyway.
I just found out Australia has an estimated population of wild camels of around one million.
:cool: JIM :D
Joe,
Lighten up, your the one that asked if you were missing something and there was no joking in my comment. If you think registering your ammo is a good thing, we will never be on that same page.
San Francisco has one of the toughest gun control ordinances in the country, but hey, why worry! Have a look at the below picture...
Chief Heather Fong (left), the first SFPD female chief of police;
Theresa Sparks (center, former male), president of the San Francisco Police Commission, CEO of a multimillion-dollar sex toy retailer, and a Trans gender woman. Sgt. Stephan Thorne (right, former female), the first Trans gender SFPD police officer..
Their Representative in Congress is Nancy Pelosi. Say no more.
That is JUST PLAIN SCARY !!:eek:!!
Jim,
This is what I had also understood from what I had read, is that they were initially only looking to code the ammo of Handguns and Assault weapons due to their use in the majority of weapon crimes. ( Gang Bangers and Punks mostly ) I cant ever seem to read where this has happened from the Legal Gun Owners though... damn at the luck if they could only figure out a way to track those Criminals they would have it whipped and we wouldnt be having this conversation..Right ?
I guess they either forget to print that part or send it out on the Communist News Network Channel. ( Sorry but I have no use for Ted Turner or his Communist girl Friend Jane Fonda )
Next they will have us registering our Butcher knives and Tire Tools and anything else that has ever been used in a violent crime, and I am certain that if it has a damn dollar attached to it it will be something they shall entertain. ( Seems to me we already had one major war "Civil War" in this country over Taxes once before and apparently we did not learn to much from it, I keep forgetting what the original intent was to break away from the British and become our own nation, did that not also have something to do with Taxes)
Its not about safety or their real concerns of the U.S. Citizens, its all about the Dollar and has been for a very long time already in this country!
Like a Speeding ticket, the smoke screen is not really about the safety lets be honest, its about revenue folks ... how many times did the cop or trooper ever call you and follow up after that ticket to see just how the Hell you were doing and care about your health or safety... ??
If we already have Forensics in Place by means of Ballistics then why should they impose Ammo Coding... basically the same difference except ammo coding is just a new measure to expedite the process and place a front on collecting of New Tax strategies ... the Good Ole Smoking Mirrors syndrome.
( Now you dont see it coming and next thing here you go )
Understand that had this Ammo coding thing have passed via legislation then
the guys who founded the ammo coding using the laser technique would have been rich over-night and have had the patient on such coding and this means that govt. would have made this possible for those individuals. this is not a new concept and was tried before and declined by the courts with reasons of infringement on the Second Amendment Right.. now they try from the same basic concept angle but with a different technique of the actual coding...
Mark my words they will regret the day this ever passes if it ever does pass.
Should this pass, when you purchase the ammo it would be registered to the one purchasing it and you would have to meet certain requirements of course to make such purchase..Ammo Accountability.. so you fire off all the rounds in your backyard or range ... next will they wish for us to account for where and when the ammo was discharged and maintain a log book of it ?
Joe's comment on having your ammo stolen from your possession has also been asked by many folks already in regards to this ammo coding subject matter and carries a lot of merit and is a very valid question... this has them really stumbled at the same time here because they know they are going to be faced with errors and huge law suites should something like that happen even though its your ultimate responsibility... and lets also not forget to mention here.. what if the Manufacturer makes a mistake and the coding process happens to run the same coding due to a computer controlled process failure on say maybe a few extra lots of ammo and it being with the same coding and is sold to a few different thousand people by mistake and it all shows registered to you or the other 1000 folks now who is responsible... I keep forgetting that Computers in this day and age and manufacturers dont make mistakes and the Quality Control would be through the roof right... something to do with ISO standards processes and the likes ... now put that in your pipe and smoke on that awhile ... if this B.S. all passes they have a lot of exposure and margin for error liabilities on their plates .. the real question is do they want the headaches for the Tax Dollar they might be able to profit from it and which will be the next Constitutional Right they will wish to go after... probably my Freedom of Speech like this one here.
I suppose this all goes hand in hand with the New Health Care plan now for all Americans.... its a good thing that it is a Priority like Guantanamo Bay I suppose ..but it does not appear either one have done much for the country yet and we are still faced with the Economic Crisis ... I suppose that it is somewhere on the priority list but apparently not at the top of it... Wouldnt you think they should be focused on what really needs to happen to get the place back up and running or have I missed something here ?
now its dawning on me.. its the change coming to Washington.. Tax Change from the Ammo Coding that will take care of the Entire problems Houston ..
Have you seen what they did with Alcohol and tobacco taxes in the past week or so now ?
I kind of find this somewhat interesting ... Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms
and you all thought I was just all over the place there for a minute... Imagine that..
And you all just thought this topic was of Great Concern, dont read anything about FEMA and their Prisons ( Concentration Camps ) they have built for all you non conforming Americans to be housed in some day.. Yep thats right dont believe me.. Google it for yourselves do your homework on FEMA in your spare time... I will leave it at that.
Jon, I can see you thought they were here to help just like the F.A.A.
Enjoy while you still have a Chance and the Right ! ;) Tomorrow always Brings a New Day so I am told ...
Just remember that a Government Big enough to provide you the rights you have is big enough to also take them away !