WTB: 2004-2009 Liberty H3-45 with 2-slides

[Great Dane]

Looking to purchase a 2004-2009 Liberty H3-45 with 2-slides.

Joined POG last weekend and have been reading all the informative posts until
midnight everyday ! Truly an amazing wealth of information, advice and real life experiences.

Thank you to all in advance for your input.

Victor

[dale farley]

Welcome to the POG Victor. Don't hesitate to ask any questions you may have.

[Great Dane]

Thanks Dale !

Have a Great Weekend,

Victor

[jack14r]

There is a lot of difference in these years,the 2004 does not have the EGR engine which is a 12.7 liter 500 HP,a plus but it also has the smaller 315 front tires,the slides are the first series,the 2005s have the second series of slides,365 front and tag tires,and the first EGR engines that are 14 liter also with 500 HP,the 2006-7-8s have the EGR engines with the EGR cooler with 515 HP also 14 liter also the 2008s have the newest slides which are known as the no pin slides which are still the current production slides,the 2009 is a different animal because it has the exhaust through the roof with the DPF(diesel particulate filter) this has reduced the rear closet by about 35%,also the motors are 14 liter 515 HP.The 04 should get 7-7.5 MPG and the 05-09 coaches rarely see more than 6 MPG,I would guess that an 04 to an 09 could be as much as 500K difference.I think that the 08 has it all except for the engine,365 tires,big rear closet,2 Outback inverters that will run 2 AC units,8-8D batteries,Moritz electrical system,the latest generation slides,18,000 LB. front axle 54,500 LBS.maximum weight.

[JIM KELLER]

Wow Jack ! You just supplied this new Member with so much useful, important information Jamie could send him another invoice for his membership.

[Great Dane]

Jack,


Wow, Thank You !


Those are excatly the Cliff Notes that I needed. Now I can weigh the upgrades vs price to determine value. Sounds like I should be looking at an '05 to '08.


The key is to find a well maintained coach at a reasonable price. It appears that Liberty's can fluctuate by $200,000 depending if you purchase them from a dealer vs a private party.
Thanks Again for your input !


Have a Nice Weekend,


Victor

[Great Dane]

Jim,

I agree !

Should I send Jack the $100 ?

You guys are great !

Thank You,

Victor

[jetart]

I ran behind what appeared to be a relatively new a seated coach most of the way across Wyoming a couple weeks ago. I was trying to figure out what the heat mirage was coming off the top of the coach - then I remembered the new ones have the exhaust through the roof. Not even a hint of smoke even pulling some pretty big hills. We entered the interstate together and he passed me like i was standing still but once we got up to speed (low 70's) things evened out. Very cool machines!

[Steve Bennett]

We have a 2006 H3-45 Liberty Elegant Lady 2-slide that may become available.
(800) 469-7989

[garyde]

The new exhaust system has a re heat chamber in the verticle section of the exhaust. That's why the closests are smaller in the back corner of the bus. The re heat burns any particulates which may not have burned in the engine.

[jack14r]

The Detroit Diesel from 2009 up lose about 1/3 of the closet,the Volvo engine has 2 exhaust stacks that go through the roof and those coaches loose even more closet space,I think about 60%.

[Gil_J]

Gary, that must be a very well insulated and vented area. The DPF, during its regeneration cycle, can reach over 800 degrees! Maybe with the DEF injection system they don't regen as often...I have no idea on that.

[jetart]

Here is a link on the D13.

https://www.prevostcar.com/content/powertrain-0

Dan

[Gil_J]

Dan, I had looked at that, but couldn't tell where the DPF was. It does show a large exhause component, maybe the DPF, horizontally mounted above the engine in an insulating blanket.

[Great Dane]

The Detroit Diesel from 2009 up lose about 1/3 of the closet,the Volvo engine has 2 exhaust stacks that go through the roof and those coaches loose even more closet space,I think about 60%.

Jack,

I already lost 80% of my closet at home to my wife so if I lose 60% in the coach I'm in the negative ! LOL !

[garyde]

Here is a photo:11384

[jetart]

Wow, Thanks for the photo Gary. I never would have imagined it was that big!
Dan

[BenC]

One benefit to the '07 with the DPF, and then later the 2010 engines with Urea and "selective emissions reduction" is that in both year changes for the engines, LESS E.G.R. was utilized to attain the desired emissions target for soot, and NOx. Less E.G.R. means more/better fuel economy. Customers I've talked to with either of these engines (although more complex and space-robbing) better mileage has been reported versus the 04, 05, and 06 Series 60 engines.