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phorner
08-02-2011, 04:24 PM
Interesting article regarding a potential new source of biodiesel fuel...


With a little help from genetic engineering, researchers at one Massachusetts company say they've created an organism that takes sunlight, water and carbon dioxide and creates liquid fuel.

Bill Sims, CEO of Cambridge-based Joule Unlimited, says the process utilizes a bacteria, produces a chemical product and secretes it. The result? A fuel that can fill demands for diesel and ethanol.

"The product that we make is diesel. It's very high cetane to very premium diesel. It is fungible, so it's infrastructure compatible," said Sims.

The product can be used in trucks, heavy equipment and further refined into jet fuel. Simply put, the organism created secretes the fuel in a direct process, working faster than current biofuel technology that often uses algae.

"The organism lives naturally in the wild and we thought it would be an ideal platform organism that we can then use for our engineering efforts," explains Sims. "We do a process that we call genome engineering. And that is a combination of systems biology, synthetic biology and genetic engineering; and that work that we do in our biology labs when we are here allows us to create the process that converts the key elements of photosynthesis directly into molecules of interest."

Officials with the Energy Information Administration report that diesel consumption in the United States has steadily risen in recent years. In 2005, 9.4 million barrels were used. In 2009, 1.04 billion barrels were consumed. In 2010, diesel supplied 5.9% of the U.S. energy needs.

Joule is taking the first big step toward commercialization, leasing more than 1,000 acres of land in Lea County, New Mexico. They hope to prove the organism can produce fuel quickly, on a large scale, nearly anywhere.

Sims believes the technology can revolutionize part of the fuel industry, meeting transportation needs virtually anywhere around the world.

"What this approach brings is not only environmentally friendly, but it also brings localization to the fuel business for the first time. It also provides for consistency of availability or supply and cost. None of this has ever been present in the oil business in the past," said Sims. "It brings energy security. It brings job creation."

Sunlight, water and waste CO2 are widely available. Sims says the process is environmentally friendly and can even take advantage of waste CO2 from traditional power plants nearby.

"We believe it's quite green. We are taking waste water and waste CO2, so tapping into flu stacks, so, therefore, turning something people generally view as bad directly into something that fungible that burns cleaner than gasoline. The only other output from our process, besides the product itself, is pure oxygen. So there's no CO2 being produced as part of the process," said Sims.

The company could seek to locate near coal-fired plants, natural gas plants or factories where an abundance of waste CO2 is available.

Ian Bowles, the former Energy and Environment Affairs Secretary in Massachusetts, acts as managing director of RHUMB Line Energy, a consulting firm that specializes in emerging and existing energy supplies and creating partnerships in the industry.

Bowles says one of the greatest challenges new suppliers face is raising capital.

"In the case of an energy product, you're talking often times of hundreds of millions of dollars of infrastructure to build the plant that produces something whether it's electricity or a fuel -- and that's been the challenge for clean energy is getting over that commercialization gap," said Bowles.

One selling point Joule can utilize may be its need for CO2. There is no shortage of supply, but companies are seeking ways to get rid of it. "That's been one of the great questions over time is what do you do with all that CO2 coming out of traditional fossil fuel plants?

People have been exploring injecting it into recovery of natural gas or petroleum wells, sequestering it underground in giant caves, burying it in the deep ocean and people have tried for a generation to figure out how to make algae efficiently and haven't been able to do that and so the idea of recycling CO2 which we're creating in our power plants into a fuel source is absolutely a vital challenge," says Bowles.

Jon Wehrenberg
08-02-2011, 05:22 PM
Where do I sign on to support this process? I have no altruistic reasons for doing so, other than perhaps getting rid of CO2 and in the process perhaps no longer seeing Al Gore talk about global warming as a result of CO2.

Oh, wait...cancel my enthusiastic support. Mr. Global Warming Al Gore will just switch gears and attempt to make money on global cooling brought about by the lack of CO2 in the atmosphere

Good post Paul. Maybe just the threat of an alternative might be enough to start driving down prices.

JIM CHALOUPKA
08-02-2011, 06:48 PM
Maybe some mega billionaire oil man will buy this process and bury it to protect his interest, probably I mean.

JIM :eek:

merle&louise
08-02-2011, 09:00 PM
Wonder if T. Boone Pickens would be interested?

If this catches on, it will put the big oil companies out of business.

But it will mean we can drive our coaches without regard for fuel costs.

I'm all for it!

Seabyrd
08-02-2011, 11:54 PM
You may find this interesting..

http://www.greencar.com/articles/biowillie-fuel-willie-nelson-biodiesel-company.php


Interesting article regarding a potential new source of biodiesel fuel...


With a little help from genetic engineering, researchers at one Massachusetts company say they've created an organism that takes sunlight, water and carbon dioxide and creates liquid fuel.

Bill Sims, CEO of Cambridge-based Joule Unlimited, says the process utilizes a bacteria, produces a chemical product and secretes it. The result? A fuel that can fill demands for diesel and ethanol.

"The product that we make is diesel. It's very high cetane to very premium diesel. It is fungible, so it's infrastructure compatible," said Sims.

The product can be used in trucks, heavy equipment and further refined into jet fuel. Simply put, the organism created secretes the fuel in a direct process, working faster than current biofuel technology that often uses algae.

"The organism lives naturally in the wild and we thought it would be an ideal platform organism that we can then use for our engineering efforts," explains Sims. "We do a process that we call genome engineering. And that is a combination of systems biology, synthetic biology and genetic engineering; and that work that we do in our biology labs when we are here allows us to create the process that converts the key elements of photosynthesis directly into molecules of interest."

Officials with the Energy Information Administration report that diesel consumption in the United States has steadily risen in recent years. In 2005, 9.4 million barrels were used. In 2009, 1.04 billion barrels were consumed. In 2010, diesel supplied 5.9% of the U.S. energy needs.

Joule is taking the first big step toward commercialization, leasing more than 1,000 acres of land in Lea County, New Mexico. They hope to prove the organism can produce fuel quickly, on a large scale, nearly anywhere.

Sims believes the technology can revolutionize part of the fuel industry, meeting transportation needs virtually anywhere around the world.

"What this approach brings is not only environmentally friendly, but it also brings localization to the fuel business for the first time. It also provides for consistency of availability or supply and cost. None of this has ever been present in the oil business in the past," said Sims. "It brings energy security. It brings job creation."

Sunlight, water and waste CO2 are widely available. Sims says the process is environmentally friendly and can even take advantage of waste CO2 from traditional power plants nearby.

"We believe it's quite green. We are taking waste water and waste CO2, so tapping into flu stacks, so, therefore, turning something people generally view as bad directly into something that fungible that burns cleaner than gasoline. The only other output from our process, besides the product itself, is pure oxygen. So there's no CO2 being produced as part of the process," said Sims.

The company could seek to locate near coal-fired plants, natural gas plants or factories where an abundance of waste CO2 is available.

Ian Bowles, the former Energy and Environment Affairs Secretary in Massachusetts, acts as managing director of RHUMB Line Energy, a consulting firm that specializes in emerging and existing energy supplies and creating partnerships in the industry.

Bowles says one of the greatest challenges new suppliers face is raising capital.

"In the case of an energy product, you're talking often times of hundreds of millions of dollars of infrastructure to build the plant that produces something whether it's electricity or a fuel -- and that's been the challenge for clean energy is getting over that commercialization gap," said Bowles.

One selling point Joule can utilize may be its need for CO2. There is no shortage of supply, but companies are seeking ways to get rid of it. "That's been one of the great questions over time is what do you do with all that CO2 coming out of traditional fossil fuel plants?

People have been exploring injecting it into recovery of natural gas or petroleum wells, sequestering it underground in giant caves, burying it in the deep ocean and people have tried for a generation to figure out how to make algae efficiently and haven't been able to do that and so the idea of recycling CO2 which we're creating in our power plants into a fuel source is absolutely a vital challenge," says Bowles.

Yankee802
08-03-2011, 06:10 AM
First piece of good news in a long time, gives me hope for the future! :)

As long as some billionaire or corporation doesn't buy and bury this, it could help our country/world in many ways, not just cheap renewable fuel. We could make our own, China and other countries could make their own, no more interest in the Gulf, we could pull out. The possibilities are endless and optimistic, very nice!

I wonder if an individual could do this for personal consumption, hmmm.

phorner
08-03-2011, 08:11 AM
Although this process shows promise, I have yet to read of a projected cost per barrel or gallon of refined product. That will certainly determine the viability of this alternative to fossil fuel.

Personally, I would be in favor of federal matching grants to build a large scale processing plant in order to determine market viability. After that, all federal subsidies should end. Either it makes economic sense or it doesn't, and if it does, there shouldn't be a shortage of private investment to move toward production.

Sure sounds like it makes more sense than farmers growing food to be turned into fuel....

Jon Wehrenberg
08-03-2011, 08:39 AM
Can the naysayers explain to me why a billionaire would buy up the concept and keep it from the market? Perhaps you believe this billionaire is the same guy that has the 90 MPG carburetor hidden in a closet? Talk slowly when you explain it to me because I am a slow learner.

Paul is right in wanting to see the economic viability of this. We have been sold a bill of goods with respect to ethanol which uses almost as much energy to produce as is produced, and when it is added to or used as a fuel it is significantly less efficient that good ole mideast oil. This may be a great idea or an economical flop. I just hope if the process really works to produce fuel that is economically justified because the benefits are so far reaching.

phorner
08-03-2011, 09:37 AM
You're right Jon,

I can't imagine a successful businessman keeping this from the market... but rather exploiting the process in the hopes of enormous profits.

And, there is nothing wrong with profit. It's what keeps a business alive and, hopefully, growing.

I just wouldn't want to see this potential energy source propped up with a bunch of government subsidies. However, a government grant, especially one that matches dollar-for-dollar private money, to see if this is viable would be OK with me.

It is either a profitable venture or it isn't.

Jon Wehrenberg
08-03-2011, 02:05 PM
Here is what happens when the government gets involved.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/25/opinion/25Rattner.html?_r=3

Sawbonz
08-03-2011, 06:53 PM
SSDD. 'Nuff said.

GDeen
08-03-2011, 06:58 PM
Don't EVEN get me started on this pile of sh*t program....

And the gall of the NYT of all papers to run this piece. They typically are the loyal publicity arm of government intervention, and I would bet my next measily check were trumpeting ethanol as a cure-all in the beginning.


Here is what happens when the government gets involved.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/25/opinion/25Rattner.html?_r=3

jack14r
08-03-2011, 07:09 PM
I think that I recall that the ethanol subsidies were not renewed this June or July,I hope that our gasoline will improve if this is the case.

Charles Spera
08-03-2011, 08:50 PM
While we're talking about being green, take a look at this product. I've been considering installing some on our vehicles, any advice?

http://www.allgreenoilrefiner.com/

Jon Wehrenberg
08-04-2011, 07:01 AM
Don't drink the KoolAid Chuck.

The oils we use in our vehicles are complex compounds that are used for much more than just lubrication in our sophisticated engines of today. While they do perform well and last much longer than the oils of yesterday they do break down and they do need to be replaced. With the high tolerances of modern engines oil changes are less because of contaminents, and more because key components have broken down.

I hope Ken Brewer lends his expertise on this.

aggies09
08-04-2011, 09:12 AM
It is interesting that the MA company has leased a 1000 acres in Lea County, NM. For those of you who may not know, Lea County is one of the richest producing natural gas and oil fields in the country. Obviously, they are also blessed with lots of sunlight. They must me using CO2 from some refining process from the petroleum industry to "grow" their product. Interesting.................

JIM CHALOUPKA
08-04-2011, 11:20 AM
I was thinking more to the likes of;

Lulismo v Chavismo, Venezuela

Kinh, Abdullah bin Abdul-Aziz Al Saud, Saudi Arabia

H H Sheikh Hamad Bin Khalifa Al Thani, Bahrain

Sheikh Sabah Al Ahmad Al Jaber Al Sabah, Kuwait

Royal Dutch Shell

and others that would benefit by controlling the production of energy.

Just sayin here, we'll find out in time.


JIM :rolleyes: