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mcirco
08-23-2010, 10:41 AM
Jim Skiff has scheduled a session for Country Coach Owners at POG 9 in Kerrville. I have agreed to conduct the session but I would like some input into what areas we should discuss. As you know I obtained all of the available documentation and electronic spare parts and printed circuit boards when Country Coach was liquidated. I will be happy to bring whatever materials we may need to discuss including the database that includes most of the drawings. My background is as an Electronic Design Engineer so I will be happy to focus on any specific electrical or electronic areas that the group would like to dig into. I have a reasonably full schedule between now and October so I would like your comments as soon as possible so I can prepare and search through the database for the appropriate documentation. Feel free to e-mail me at mcirco@hughes.net if you have any questions or needs.

Miles Circo
2004 Country Coach 45' XLII D/S
Wittman, Maryland

MangoMike
08-23-2010, 04:54 PM
A CC session? What, that lasts two days? Where would you draw the line?

Jerry Winchester
08-23-2010, 05:07 PM
Mike,

That hurts. They could do one entire day just on plastic shields.

I read on another thread about replacing the hot water heater on a Country Coach. Don't you just go buy a new CC and throw the old one away when the heater goes bad?

MangoMike
08-23-2010, 06:10 PM
JDUB,

A lot of the wait staff around Mango Mike's are familiar w/ the CC's and have offered a few semiars for POG 9.

“The Mother / Daughter Boards – Incest or Necessity”

“Plastic Shield – Prophylactic or Bling Killer”

“Country Coach Technical Help Line – 1-800-BITE ME"

“10 Ways Obama is Like Country Coach”

“Prevost Country Coach; Will You Have To Chew Your Arm Off To Get Rid Of It”

“Stimulus Money for CC Owners?”

I'll be glad to donate some Webasto "The Good, Bad and The Ugly" time for some more CC seminars.

MM

Jerry Winchester
08-23-2010, 06:25 PM
How about a couple of these?

“Lava Enema or Country Coach Ownership?”

“When The Love Fades – First Electrical Glitch in the CC”

“The CC Digital Dash – Break Thru or Boat Anchor?”

“Country Coach Pre-Buy Inspection – Hell on Earth”

“Country Coach or OBAMA; Will You Be Able To Get Rid of Either?”

“Make a CC Plastic Shield For Your Toad – NOT”

rfoster
08-23-2010, 06:33 PM
Looks like we will have some comedians at POG 9 - looking forward to it.

It is the Liberty guys that have the swollen hot water heaters.

Y'all be sure to keep your day job.

MangoMike
08-23-2010, 07:10 PM
"Watchya talkin' about Willis"

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Jim Skiff
08-23-2010, 07:20 PM
I've been framed! I expect the taco twins will have some blind sides coming after that retort!

JIM KELLER
08-23-2010, 07:44 PM
Mike and Jerry, Thanks for the humor. We feel the love.

Miles, Thanks for this contribution you are willing to make on behalf of POG. I am interested in learning as much as possible about the electronics on my Bus even though I have not had any failures. The mother boards in the first cargo bay were intimidating at first. As I learned how they supported our systems I gained confidence in their performance. I would like to better understand how the switching system works between our lighted switch plates and the board section of the computer. I think some owners are confused about voltage in the board section. Is it 12 volt, 24 volt or 110. Also, how does the digital dash collect the information it displays. I have always been amazed at how the owner can select so many different configurations.

Miles, I will give this some more thought and come back with additional ideas. Thanks for the work involved in this project.

truk4u
08-23-2010, 08:02 PM
Jdub & Mango,

Whats the difference between a Liberty owner with a technical problem and a Country Coach owner with a technical problem?


Liberty Owner - Ring, ring -"Liberty Coach, how may I help you"?

CC Owner - Ring, ring, ring, ring ring, ring, ring - "I'm sorry, that number has been disconnected."

Just for my buddies.....:p

MangoMike
08-23-2010, 08:15 PM
Good one Trukman


... or they send Larry the Cable Guy. Get 'er done.

MangoMike
08-23-2010, 08:17 PM
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JDUB, What do you think Skiffer edited out of JK's post?

Jon Wehrenberg
08-23-2010, 08:28 PM
Let me see if I got this right........2 ball breaking Marathon owners vs every CC owner.

Skiffer, park me far away from the dynamic duo and the CC owners. It could get messy.

MangoMike
08-23-2010, 09:10 PM
Jon,

What could possibly go astray at a POG rally?

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lonesome george
08-23-2010, 09:17 PM
Miles I don't have a Country Coach but I take my hat off to you for your investment of time, effort and for sight to procure, compile and share this information with other C.C. owners! You get a big atta boy in my book.
I know the ribbing in this group is in fun and poor taste, I also know it is a lot of work put this stuff into in a usable form. I for one would like to acknowledge your effort and willingness to help others.
Sincere and Lonesome

rfoster
08-23-2010, 10:11 PM
Truk: Come on - tell everybody what you were doing today. Of course you know I wouldn't tell.

You might have been looking at a Marathon - if you could find one that wasn't over weight on the front axle from all the sheep on board. Sheep don't weight that much do they?

I will watch tomorrow and see what that Marathon brings at auction.


Miles: you are a tremendous asset to POG and CC owners. Thanks so much for the time and expense you have already invested and the present and future benefits to CC owners. I for one have received all the support needed strictly thru you and the POG Membership. Looking forward to attending your seminar at Kerrville and if I can be any assistance - please let me know - I will be glad to help.

Jerry Winchester
08-23-2010, 10:24 PM
Found this picture of the CC dash cable. Damn.

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Jon Wehrenberg
08-24-2010, 07:17 AM
Miles I don't have a Country Coach but I take my hat off to you for your investment of time, effort and for sight to procure, compile and share this information with other C.C. owners! You get a big atta boy in my book.
I know the ribbing in this group is in fun and poor taste, I also know it is a lot of work put this stuff into in a usable form. I for one would like to acknowledge your effort and willingness to help others.
Sincere and Lonesome

George,

Nothing we POG members do is in good taste, and that includes the endless teasing. But don't overlook the fact that no matter how bad the teasing, if POG member says "help" we are all here for that person. Miles has proven that along with many others.

MangoMike
08-24-2010, 09:12 AM
Jon,

You're right as Miles has been an invaluable asset to the POG community.

To those who haven't had the pleasure of meeting Miles in person I have a photo taken at his last POG appearance.

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Jerry Winchester
08-24-2010, 10:30 AM
That Hurts

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Jerry Winchester
08-24-2010, 10:48 AM
Mike,

Skiffer said there would also be a Country Coach Owner eye test. Here is the chart he chose.


http://images.headlineshirts.net/media/catalog/product/cache/3/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/e/y/eyechart_wht_il_258.jpg

BoaterAl
08-24-2010, 10:56 AM
Jerry, I'am laughing MAO at that one and it's the best seen in a long time. You have way too much free time on your hands. What a hoot !
Al

Jon Wehrenberg
08-24-2010, 11:47 AM
He can dish it out, but I suspect the CC owners are going to find out if he can take it.

Jerry Winchester
08-24-2010, 02:04 PM
Let's see. I've had bubble wrap taped to the front of my bus (poor man's plastic shield), a walker and toilet chair left at the front door, a wooden sheep cut out set up by the bumper, a big band-aid stuck to the back, my H3 wrapped and painted and so many signs stuck to the coach I can't list them all and I'm still smiling. You can't have thin skin with this group and any sign of weakness just begs to be exploited.

So let's quit self reflecting and get to the task at hand. This thread is about COUNTRY COACHES and that is what we are going to stick to. Show some disclipline for crying out loud.

New Country Coach AV Set-up

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MangoMike
08-24-2010, 02:18 PM
Well said JDUB.

The AV setup looks like the new CC 2010 version w/ 3D

But let me ask you how many CC guys had their facial hair shaved off for the team?

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Jerry Winchester
08-24-2010, 02:26 PM
Thanks BA..

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Jon Wehrenberg
08-24-2010, 02:40 PM
JDUB, You forgot the Viagra award you were presented with. I must have missed the smile.

Jon Wehrenberg
08-24-2010, 02:49 PM
Despite the ball breaking I think Miles needs to be recognized for the incredible job he has done to help the CC owners. While we did a lot of teasing it was not fun watching a conversion that was in need of some sophisticated support on the brink of not having any.

Miles stepped in and went way beyond what anybody else would do and not only got hold of a bunch of inventory that can now be used to maintain the CC conversions, but he has the intellectual materials that will enable the owners to get answers when problems arise.

I have already seen Miles in action with the intellectual stuff, like wiring diagrams, and the value of what he has done cannot be measured.

A conversion that could have suffered serious loss in value, now has full support and as a result has become more valuable to its owners and future buyers.

I think Miles needs to understand that not only CC owners will respect and appreciate him for what he has done, but all conversion owners should also because when one conversion takes a hit in the shorts we all feel it as well. Thanks Miles. You are the man of the hour.

Kenneth Brewer
08-24-2010, 02:58 PM
What Jon said.

JIM KELLER
08-24-2010, 03:26 PM
I agree and if there is a way to get this Thread back on course I would like to encourage us to do so. Out of 393 views and 28 replies only 2 posts relate to the topic started by Miles. The topic is important to all Country Coach owners. The resources available to us can only enhance the value of our Buses and establish a go to person for all future owners. Any Country Coach owner that would like to better understand the electronics of their Bus please step up and let Miles know.

Jon Wehrenberg
08-24-2010, 03:42 PM
Having put on a seminar or two and having answered phone calls and PMs and emails I am fairly confident that if Miles puts on a seminar he should limit the discussion to an outline of what spare parts are available, what intellectual materials are available and a general overview of the salient points of the CC electronics and the coach systems. Specific questions after the presentation will fill the voids.

All of us, me included, may learn about the details of something, but we forget it before the sun goes down. It is only important if we are having problems with the system being taugh when it is being taught.

But what we retain and will always be able to use is the knowledge of what's avaialble and where to get the parts and information required.

Jerry Winchester
08-24-2010, 03:49 PM
Hummmm....

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dale farley
08-25-2010, 11:40 AM
Jim K., As you, I and other CC owners know, we are going to be bashed every time we mention a CC, so that discourages others from posting. Although most of the ribbing is done in fun, it has a negative impact on us and on the value of our coaches and eventually, all Prevosts. New POG members would be reluctant to buy a CC if they read all the negative comments about them on this forum. As CC owners, we know we have no more problems than any other conversion, and so far, I have never had a problem that wasn't easily solved with the help of other Prevost owners.

Even before CC went out of business, I never depended on them for technical advice or parts support, just like I never depended on Marathon for advice when I owned one. I called Marathon one time while I owned their conversion, and I had an equal number of problems with each conversion I've owned. If I needed to sell my CC today, I would not mention it on this forum, because I know I would get more negative comments than real support.

No, I am not thin skinned, I just know as CC owners we are not getting a fair shake when it comes to the negative comments on the forum. I also know I am certainly not by myself. I enjoy the kidding, and I think it makes the forum more fun and interesting. I just want everyone to realize that too much of a good thing has a negative impact on us as individuals and the value of all our Prevosts. We are just one of many owners of orphan coaches, and CC probably provided us with the best documentation of any conversion on the market.

JIM KELLER
08-25-2010, 03:03 PM
I think most of us can stand the jokes and ribbing on a personal level. After all, thats how we know they love us. I think the part that becomes sensitive is negative feedback or bashing of what we own. No one wants to feel like the Bus they purchased is at the bottom of the barrel. Everyone wants to be proud of what they purchased. Especially when it comes to our toys.

The problem occurs when potential buyers and members do diligence using the POG Forum. Newcomers have no idea about the amount of compassion the Taco Twins have for this membership. Both of these guys would be there in a second to cover a fellow POG members back. Unfortunately, as human nature has it the part some members will remember is that they don't like Country Coaches. They wont know why, they will just remember that they made fun of them.

The teasing, joking and ribbing adds entertainment value. Many times I have read where new members were attracted to this Forum because of the camaraderie. Jerry and Mike are two of the original organizers. Without their contributions, both financial and participation, our Rallys would not be the success story they always turn out to be. I just think there is a difference between calling a Ramco Mirror a Crapco Mirror and a mans Bus a Dog.

Jon Wehrenberg
08-25-2010, 05:21 PM
Dale,

Rest assured the jibes are all in fun. As a Liberty owner I would be disappointed if a CC owner did not pick on the glitz, the copper pipes, and the bordello decor.

But you are right in expressing concern and every owner and potential owner should recognize that there are no bad conversions. Regardless of whether the converter is still operational or long gone I doubt if there is a conversion out there with a problem that cannot be solved. In fact I think at this point due to Miles the link between question and answer is shorther than with any other conversion because if it is posted here or sent to Miles in an email or PM the documentation and thus the answer is at his fingertips.

What potential buyers have to recognize is each conversion has a "personality" or a signature feature and those of us who play on this forum will use that feature as a jumping off point for all of the teasing. Pick on my copper pipes and you can count on hearing about plastic shields. I'm fairly sure however nobody would pick on my OTR. Nope. Not a chance.

Having said that, I see no end to the teasing between owners. It's going to happen. When it stops that's when we need to get concerned.

mcirco
08-25-2010, 08:33 PM
I certainly appreciate all the excitement over the Country Coach Owners Seminar. I had no idea of the broad appeal of this seminar when I first began. I have asked Jim to ensure the meeting room will be large enough to accommodate not just Country Coach Owners but the entire POG membership as well as any of their guests, spouses, girl friends, and well behaved pets including sheep. In addition, Jim will provide a local Webcast on the campground in the event we run out of seating capacity. I feel comfortable now with the main topics for discussion although any additonal ideas will still be welcomed.

Thank you again for the overwelming response..

Miles

MangoMike
08-25-2010, 09:44 PM
For the new guys and wanna bees.

There is nothing better than a Prevost. Regardless of year, engine, converter, with or without stainless, or past owner. You are part of a very small fraternity of campers that LIFE IS GOOD. If Country Coach wasn't a great bus - trust me, the King of Bling, Fast Roger wouldn't be driving one. Period.

I don't want to speak for JDUB, but we come from the camp of anything worth doing is worth overdoing. Anyone who has attended any of our "events" at past Rallys, Oshkosh and other gatherings can testify that we go big. How often have you seen a 200 - 2 liter Diet Coke and Mentos show choreagraphed to the 1812 overture. Or the many cocktail parties hosted by the three amigo's.


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This is not an apology. All those witty comments took a lot of work and were meant to amuse as there is a feeling among a number of POG members that this Forum has gotten a little staid. So we do what we do well - we make fun at the expense of others. But only in good fun. :cool: But for the new guys it doesn't matter what Prevo you buy, just buy one. Because they're all great and someone on this board (usually Jon) will find an answer for any question you might post to assist you in ownership. (You may still want to pass on the plastic shield).

I plan on being in the first row at Miles presentation.


...now about those rolling bordellos' - the Liberty's....

rickdesilva
08-25-2010, 09:54 PM
Where do the Thompson owners meet?

charlesebrownjr
08-25-2010, 10:45 PM
I don't have any copper pipes (that corrode:mad:), took off my bug shield:p, (will bring it to Kerrville to auction off), but I do have plenty of interest in the CC seminar. I have all the docs and diagrams for my coach but still need lots of help some times understanding everything. Looking forward to the CC seminar. BTW what is the sheep thing all about????????????????????:confused::confused:

Sid Tuls
08-25-2010, 10:52 PM
Well, There won't be a a meeting since we have a few problems:-) unless they can take out some dents in my rub-rail(ouch) my fault:-(

garyde
08-25-2010, 11:01 PM
I'm glad I checked out this thread. I was going to pass it by . It just goes to show you you can't pass by any thread or your going to miss what POG is about. All Prevost owners deserve some ribbing. These Buses cost way too much and get used very little for how they were designed and built. The mechanics and engineering I can take seriously, but not much else.

JIM KELLER
08-26-2010, 06:50 AM
Where do the Thompson owners meet?

Anywhere you want. Love the pic of your Chris Craft !

JIM KELLER
08-26-2010, 06:56 AM
Well, There won't be a a meeting since we have a few problems:-) unless they can take out some dents in my rub-rail(ouch) my fault:-(

Sid, Sorry to hear this. Bring it to Kerville just the way it is. No one will poke fun at you.

truk4u
08-26-2010, 09:06 AM
I'm with Gary... Good grief boy's, it was just good ole POG fun and if anyone reading that stuff steers clear of CC because of some bantering, they need help.:rolleyes:

My previous CC, now Jamie's, was a great bus and I had few problems, but if I still had it, I would be throwing stink bombs at the Taco Twins fast and furious.

C'mon, smile and laugh a little, life is too short!:p

PS - I'm looking at a plastic CC and expect lots of grief!

dale farley
08-26-2010, 12:10 PM
I hope this will be my final words on this subject. We CC owners should get together and file a reverse discrimination complaint with the EBOAB (Equality for Bashing of All Buses). Let's have some equal time for the American, Liberty, Marathon, Royale, Thompson, Vantare, Legendary, Featherlite, Parliment, Millennium, Angola, and Vogue owners. Or better yet, let's pick out one of them and bash them for about 6 months straight and see if that makes those owners a little sensitive. I apologize if I left any other conversions off the list! This is "Sarcastic humor" with truth dispersed throughout. I still " feel the love" for each of you; even the Taco Twins.

Gary & Peggy Stevens
08-26-2010, 02:39 PM
Dang it Dale, NOW I really feel left out. You didn't mention my AMERICAN Bus ?

Gary S.

dale farley
08-26-2010, 06:03 PM
Sorry for that omission Gary. I added you to the list, so if we start in alphabetical order, American will be first. Actually, I think we need to start with Z and work our way backward. That way, CC will be in the spotlight again a few years from now.

Bobby
09-17-2010, 01:04 PM
If I can limp my Coach down there It would be lots of fun and maybe find out a few things about my CC ( 1990 ) Like Heater / AC's/ Switches over head/ Spot Light/ Turn Signals that work some times/
Hope to join and meet some of you people and see Texas for a week or two.

dale farley
09-17-2010, 02:33 PM
Bobby, If you can make it, I can assure you that you will get some answers to your questions. Some of the answers may be correct. Hope to see you at Kerrvlile.

Will Garner
09-17-2010, 04:58 PM
Bobby,

First and foremost, Welcome to POG. Jon has called this group an asylum. Some time it can get quite insane. But I think it is the number one group around for Prevost lovers. My CC is the same "vintage" as yours. Only fine wines and CC's can be referred to as vintage - something that gets better with age! My coach number is 60121. That is the CC assigned number. Do you know what yours is?

These machines are just like a house, work on it is never done. Between maintenance and honey do's there is almost no time left for work! The only real problems I've had in four years was a crack across the "Entertainment" panel and my current fight with the Bedroom and Galley A/C compressor clutch. I upgraded the dash unit almost two years ago in the same manner - new hoses, new compressor and clutch, current EPA approved environmentally sensitive refrigerant (R-134A). The rest have been minor and the help received from members of this group has been priceless!

We are missing Kerrville this fall - still working at least 40 plus per week - but know for sure everyone there will be having fun, making new friends, and renewing old acquaintences.

LA-HODAG
09-17-2010, 06:13 PM
Hi, Bobby. I also have a 1990 Country Coach (60105) and there is at least one other 1990 CC owner, RAHANGMAN, on POG. Rodger has 60115.
I won't be at the rally (work, kid in school, etc.) but I can send you a .pdf of the Country Coach manual from my bus if you need it to figure out switches, etc. If so, send me a pm.
Maybe we should start a Country Coach Old Timers group, eh Will?

akcabin
09-18-2010, 03:46 AM
We also have a "vintage" CC which is even earlier than yours. We unfortunately will not be able to attend the rally as work and school age kids will preclude us being able to attend for the forseable future.

Likewise, even though I have manuals, there are still a lot of mysteries and it would be good to learn more about things. I am currently in the process of replacing the radiator and found corrosion on the inop dash/bedroom a/c so I ripped out the hoses, condenser, and evaporator. I think I see them listed on Prevosts site on their parts listing so someday it would be nice to get it working again. I think that will be a job for Prevost though.

Bobby
09-18-2010, 03:06 PM
Thank all of you for you vote of confidence . I'm too lazy to look up my CC number , its in the coach some where. Right now I'm fighting a mouse and trying to clean up every thing so Vonnie won't spook.
Got a fresh water leak around the shower. Man I don't know how to even get to it. All cabinet work is hidden screws.. I'll leave the pump off unless I need it and etc. Other than that it looks like We (Vonnie and I ) and maybe my son Jay , will plan for the 1000 mile trip Oct 7 or 8 and stay for a while if every thing goes right.
Going to bring my Steel and Amp and try to jam some where around close. Just a little Jeep to haul equipment unless the Coach runs good. See you ALL later.
I'm hoping to get most every thing on the Coach working good before we come back home. Wabasto ????

rahangman
09-18-2010, 03:33 PM
Hi, Bobby. I also have a 1990 Country Coach (60105) and there is at least one other 1990 CC owner, RAHANGMAN, on POG. Rodger has 60115.
I won't be at the rally (work, kid in school, etc.) but I can send you a .pdf of the Country Coach manual from my bus if you need it to figure out switches, etc. If so, send me a pm.
Maybe we should start a Country Coach Old Timers group, eh Will?

Watch that "Old Timers Group" moniker, hahaha, Welcome aboard Bobby, can't wait to see your Coach #, I almost feel a family tie with Brian. Come to think of it, a little old "CC" ain't bad!

Bobby
09-19-2010, 03:38 PM
Well I finally looked and my Coach is 1989 # 60077 ,,, older than I thought but remade in 2004, took out the propane and replaced with electric stove , stuff.